Impotent Indian leaders trying to advise Israel...rather they should learn from Israel..how to defend your self respect !

Ashwani Talwar

First Published : 30 Dec 2008 02:26:00 AM IST

Last Updated : 30 Dec 2008 01:26:58 PM IST

NEW DELHI: Amid the talk of the possibility of `surgical’ Indian strikes against Pakistan-based terror camps, Delhi has made it clear that it does not approve of the continuing Israeli air attacks in the West Bank which happen to be of the kind that some hawks in India would recommend against Pakistan.

In a statement the second since Israel began its air strikes on Saturday the External Affairs Ministry has criticised the use of ``disproportionate force’’ by Israel.

When the Foreign Office issued the second statement on Monday, over 300 Palestinians had been reported dead and several more injured in the Israeli retaliation that followed rocket and mortar attacks into Israeli territory from Hamasrun Gaza Strip.

The initial Israeli strikes were against Hamas security compounds: many of the dead were Hamas policemen.

Israel is sometimes cited as an example to follow for India. But observers also argue it is tough to emulate that country and strike at Pakistan-based camps of militant organisations like Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed as Pakistan is militarily strong and has a nuclear arsenal.

Compared to Israel, India also comes under bigger American pressure to exercise restraint.

India’s first response on Saturday to the West Asian flare-up took note of ``immediate cross-border provocations’’ – the rocket attacks on Israel - but urged ``an immediate end to the use of force against Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip.’’ But Monday’s statement was harsher against Israel.

``It is disappointing to note that the use of disproportionate force is resulting in a large number of civilian casualties on the one hand and the escalating violence on the other. This continued use of indiscriminate force is unwarranted and condemnable,’’ the Foreign Office spokesman said.

India urged ``utmost restraint so as to give peace a chance as the peace process may well get derailed irreversibly by Israel’s attack in the Gaza Strip and continued violence.’’ India has issued similar statements in the past on violence in West Asia as it urges dialogue in West Asia.

But coming amid the India-Pakistan stand-off after Mumbai terror attacks, this one would seem to send a message to countries that are concerned over the possibility of India launching similar attacks in Pakistan territory: That India would be reluctant to take any action that could result in big collateral damage of civilian casualties.

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 What benefit did India got since several years for supporting the Palestines and honouring Yasar Arafat. Today no Arab/Muslim country is our trusted friend. More over many of them are funding/supporting the Jihadi War to establish the 100% Isllamic World by fighting against and eliminating the Christians/Jews/Hindus etc. Except the Congress party (in the form of minority votes) no other is going to benefit from the above statements of the Indian govt. Dirty Congress party is tring to cash on even from the external issues. On what moral grounds they can ask the international community to mount pressure on Pak in retion to their sponsored Terror attacks on India in Mumbai. 

By Sridhar Kesireddy 
12/31/2008 12:58:00 PM

 Because of ruling NAPUNSAK Congress Goverment in center, we aam admi will have face such insult of India. Napunsak congress goverment can assign one complete force for Malengav blast but Napunsak Congress goverement can not touch any Muslim in the world for their vote bank, no matter they are terrorists or master of terrorists like Afzal Guru. if you are muslim then we cant touch you we are napunsak this is what Congress attitude and approch, f**k of. and this is the peak of foolishness and lack of maturity to oppose Isarail who is taking actions agains terror and *ucking Congress, not taking any action and commenting against those who are taking actions for their survival, shameless people put we indians in shamful position. I HATE you f*cking Congress. 

By Unfortunate Indian 
12/31/2008 11:30:00 AM

 Israel always supported india and now also it is, and its really very bad on indian part that when Israel is facing problem it is not supporting it and its left alone to face criticism. Why? Indian politics has gone to dogs. Israel does whats in the interest of their citizens and their country. India should be like that. They dont give sh*t and they dont take sh*t and if u give sh*t u get what u deserve. Israel tried a lot to convince Hamas but u can convince only those who can understand things. Hamas knows only the language of blood and devastation and the common people there including women and children are no different. They all support Hamas. Childrens are prepared from begining to hate others except muslims. If u dont kill all of these kind of people then u r letting ur grave to be dug by them. 

By Heart of India 
12/31/2008 10:08:00 AM

 I do not understand what kind of idiots are sitting in Indian External Ministry and issuing such a irresponsible statement. Israel is victim of terrorist same as India. We should fully support Israel to wipe out Hamas. Otherwise How can India justify its surgical strike in POK. As long as such idiots are and HIJDAS are ruling India, we can not move forward. 

By Srey Vickey 
12/31/2008 9:56:00 AM

 I dont understand why india even bothers to comment about Isreael when after the Mumbai attacks no Middle Eastern countries isssued any statement condemning the attacks.India should just give up this farse pro Arab stand.It has not helped us in any way.Congress is just a bunch of old fuddy duddies who should all be sent to some retirement homes and asked to fend for them selves! 

By latha rajamani 
12/31/2008 9:39:00 AM

 Part 3. SL dare to send a guy who was part of terrorist organization with a fake passport to one of the technologically sophisticated country. This incident is an indication of SL's barbaric attitude of violating international laws. Considering these two facts, it is very much possible that India has a danger from SL. It is time for India to think and worry about India's soverignity instead of SL's. It is hightime that india work towards what is good for the future of INDIA instead of talking nonsense about Rajiv Assasination. 

By krishnamoorthy 
12/31/2008 8:48:00 AM

 Part 1. Reaching the borders of Tamil Nadu from the shores of Srilanka is very easy. Indeed, people used to swim between Srilanka and India.Therfore, one can use underwater bikes to reach India and create a mayhem similar to the one happened in Mumbai. Obviously, Rameshwaram will be an easy target. The temple is always crowded and located on the seashore. Now, why Srilanka will carry out this operation? It is SL's relationship with ISI (Pakistan). SL now has TMVP lead by Karuna and Pillayan with them. ISI (pakistan) with the help of SL can recruit people from TMVP and send them to Rameshwaram and create mayhem. If such incident happen, who do we blame? Obviously everyone in India will blame LTTE. 

By krishnamoorthy 
12/31/2008 8:47:00 AM

 Part 2.Even when mumbai was attacked "The Hindu" published article, wherein they had mentioned that there is a probe going on to find out the LTTE connection to the attack. As soon as there is a crime in TN, people like M. K. Narayan, Cho, Hindu N. Ram, Elangovan will say that LTTE carried out the attack. The question here is do ISI and SL do such activity? It is very much possible. 1. Nawas Sharif was not infromed about Kargil intrusion (this was found out by Indian inteligence by intercepting a phone call between Gen. Musharaf and Gen Aziz!). From this it is clear that the rulers of Pakistan has no control over ISI activity. 2. SL don't care about any international laws (They had sent Karuna to UK using fake diplomatic passport). 

By Krishnamoorthy 
12/31/2008 8:46:00 AM

 India and Indians must know that Israel has always supported India on Kashmir issue on all international fora and that muslim majority countries have always condemned India and aggressively campaigned for Pakistan always.Even after the murderous paki jeahdi attacks, did you see a single muslim majoirty country condemning Pakistan? Same is the case with Indian muslims, their love for jehadi religion is many times more than their love for India or majority hindus. In fact all exceopt Sir Salman Rushdie or Dr Abdul Kalam may even wish that kafir hindus and silkhs and buddhists be eliminated by terror or converted so that they can get 72 virgins and lot of wine in heaven after death.Only Israel know the real poison of smeitic religions, islam and christianity and we must be ashamed to have selfish congress rulers for the past 50 odd years who have no love or concern for majority hindus and hindustan. 

By V.Mehta 
12/31/2008 8:20:00 AM

 Pakistan split into 2 (Pakistan and bangladesh) and we (INDIA) gained, split SRI LANKA into 2 or 3 INDIA will gain. COME ON , this is much better than fighting with unknown enemies. 

By Singhai 
12/31/2008 8:01:00 AM

 Superb RAM !!! I also heard about this story about the Sinhalese in Sri Lanka supporting Pakistan whenever and where ever possible. I think we should support our friends in the enemy countries and strengthen them to fight our enemies within their lands. Bravo 

By Mamta 
12/31/2008 7:56:00 AM

 I HAVE WRITTEN IN 6 PARTS AS SOME OF WHAT I SAID DINOT GET DISPLAYED, PLEASE READ ALL 6 PARTS..... NICE TO JOIN THIS DISCUSSION. PART 1 People are forgetting the fact that that Pakistan is not alone. It is well supported by the west. Until 15 years ago it was highly supported by US and India was about to be attacked by US and allies in support of Pakistan. But the British did not join saying they are worried about repercussions and so the attack didn't happen. It is ironical for ANY INDIAN to think in the lines of Israel or US and if anyone does THEY ARE STUPID. Infact the West Asia will be a better ally of India than the unpredictable US or Pakistan. Pakistan is well supported by China and Sri Lanka, where Sri lanka has given base to Pakistan in all the wars against India. 

By Ram 
12/31/2008 7:34:00 AM

 NICE TO JOIN THIS DISCUSSION. PART 2 Sri Lankan (read as Sinhalese People) were happy when the attack took place in Mumbai (all evidences available through their newspapers. Indira Gandhi and other leaders got the help from ordinary Thamils and fighting groups (Plote, epdp, LTTE although an advisor to Rajiv mucked up the support, still the support to India by the Thamil groups is INTACT for INDIA) to bring the Sinhalese people's government under control. Likewise Baluchistan rebels in Pakistan are supported by India. This is the way to do it against Sri Lanka and Pakistan. READ PART 3 CONTD... BELOW 

By Ram 
12/31/2008 7:32:00 AM

 NICE TO JOIN THIS DISCUSSION. PART 3 Sri Lanka even fielded a candidate for UN top post and realising at the last minute, though India knew the Indian candidate will fail, successfully made the Sri lankan candidate to fail. Sri Lankan papers were up in arms against India. WHAT IS THE LOVE STORY between Pakistan and Sri lanka , it is basically supplying weapons and Sri Lanka also has 7 - 8% Moslems, and there 2 groups broadly. One group follows Indian milder way and the other sect extreme Saudi way. These groups were again controlled by Thamils but currently until a year ago by the LTTE. CONTD BELOW PART 4. 

By Ram 
12/31/2008 7:31:00 AM

 NICE TO JOIN THIS DISCUSSION. PART 4 Pakistan high commissioner was attacked (he was bombed, but escaped) in Colombo, Sri Lanka as he was a defence SPY and immediately he pointed his finger on India. So FRIENDS KNOW YOUR ENEMIES, SINCE the most important department , the NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR (Narayanan) holds failed in this area because of his private vengeance or their own reasons, the whole of India is about to fail. READ PART 5 CONTD... BELOW 

By Ram 
12/31/2008 7:30:00 AM

 NICE TO JOIN THIS DISCUSSION. PART 5 STOP ENEMIES AT THE BORDER AND DEAL WITH SRI LANKA (indirect enemy) and PAKISTAN (direct enemy) WITH THE HELP OF OUR FRIENDS (they call them rebels or terrorists, who cares, as one persons freedom fighter is another persons terror) Gandhi was labelled a terrorist, Subhash (Netaji) was labelled a terrorist. Nelson Mandela if you think was democratic, you are wrong, NELSON MANDELA WAS AN ARMED MAN FIGHTING VIOLENCE WITH VIOLENCE'. Lets show this cowardice 2 countries a lesson, by stepping up the violence in those countries, then they have NO BLOODY TIME IN OUR COUNTRY. THAT IS THE WAY THE DIPLOMACY WORKS. PART 6 CONTD... BELOW 

By Ram 
12/31/2008 7:29:00 AM

 NICE TO JOIN THIS DISCUSSION. PART 6 THIS WILL BE AGREED BY MANY DIPLOMATS LIVING IN OTHER COUNTRIES AS THEY SILENTLY WITNESS THIS and may not say in public. But thats the way it works. Beware of the direct and indirect enemies. Continue giving them their own medicine, but also increase the level. No need to hit direct enemy, but always remove the support for the enemy, which is SRI LANKA and so the DIRECT ENEMY PAKISTAN WILL STAND ALONE in South Asia. TO DO THIS NO DIRECT ATTACK IS NECESSARY. 

By Ram 
12/31/2008 7:28:00 AM

 NICE TO JOIN THIS DISCUSSION. PART 1 ----- People are forgetting the fact that that Pakistan is not alone. It is well supported by the west. Until 15 years ago it was highly supported by US and India was about to be attacked by US and allies in support of Pakistan. But the British did not join saying they are worried about repercussions and so the attack didn't happen. It is ironical for ANY INDIAN to think in the lines of Israel or US and if anyone does THEY ARE STUPID. Infact the West Asia will be a better ally of India than the unpredictable US or Pakistan. Pakistan is well supported by China and Sri Lanka, where Sri lanka has given base to Pakistan in all the wars against India. Sri Lankan (read as Sinhalese People) were happy when the attack took place in Mumbai (all evidences available through their newspapers. Indira Gandhi and other leaders got the help from ordinary Thamils and fighting groups (Plote, epdp, LTTE although an advisor to Rajiv mucked u 

By Ram 
12/31/2008 7:23:00 AM

 NICE TO JOIN THIS DISCUSSION. PART 2 Sri Lanka even fielded a candidate for UN top post and realising at the last minute, though India knew the Indian candidate will fail, successfully made the Sri lankan candidate to fail. Sri Lankan papers were up in arms against India. WHAT IS THE LOVE STORY between Pakistan and Sri lanka , it is basically supplying weapons and Sri Lanka also has 7 - 8% Moslems, and there 2 groups broadly. One group follows Indian milder way and the other sect extreme Saudi way. These groups were again controlled by Thamils but currently until a year ago by the LTTE. Pakistan high commissioner was attacked (he was bombed, but escaped) in Colombo, Sri Lanka as he was a defence SPY and immediately he pointed his finger on India. So FRIENDS KNOW YOUR ENEMIES, SINCE the most important department , the NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR (Narayanan) holds failed in this area because of his private vengeance or their own reasons, the whole of India is about to fa 

By Ram 
12/31/2008 7:22:00 AM

 NICE TO JOIN THIS DISCUSSION. PART 3 STOP ENEMIES AT THE BORDER AND DEAL WITH SRI LANKA (indirect enemy) and PAKISTAN (direct enemy) WITH THE HELP OF OUR FRIENDS (they call them rebels or terrorists, who cares, as one persons freedom fighter is another persons terror) Gandhi was labelled a terrorist, Subhash (Netaji) was labelled a terrorist. Nelson Mandela if you think was democratic, you are wrong, NELSON MANDELA WAS AN ARMED MAN FIGHTING VIOLENCE WITH VIOLENCE'. Lets show this cowardice 2 countries a lesson, by stepping up the violence in those countries, then they have NO BLOODY TIME IN OUR COUNTRY. THAT IS THE WAY THE DIPLOMACY WORKS. THIS WILL BE AGREED BY MANY DIPLOMATS LIVING IN OTHER COUNTRIES AS THEY SILENTLY WITNESS THIS and may not say in public. But thats the way it works. Beware of the direct and indirect enemies. Continue giving them their own medicine, but also increase the level. No need to hit direct enemy, but always remove the support for 

By Ram 
12/31/2008 7:21:00 AM

 Ministry of External Affairs has one again proved itself to be the most useless ministry by opening its trap again . If we had atleast half of Israel's resolve no one would dare mess with us . What's next ? Advising China to take it easy on Somali pirates ? Or NATO on Al Qaeda ? 

By Rahul 
12/30/2008 6:20:00 PM

 India is preparing itself for an Islamic take over. This poor country has got no guts to act against those killers who are hell bent on destroying everything that doesn't bear an Islamic sign here in this country. In 1947 we lost one third of it, now we have to give them the remaining whole of it!!! Any how our government is not going to act against these enemies of everything that this civilized world stands for. So let's be prepared for that take over which will only bring death and destruction for all of us. 

By Aninda 
12/30/2008 5:55:00 PM

 tooth for tooth and blood for blood has never ever solved anything in the past and will never ever solve anything in the future too.It will only make our problem change from simple to complex and from complex to compound.Peaceful talks and nrgotiations is the best option.I understand and respect the views of my fellow netizens at the same time as a citizen of this country I trust the democratically elected government at the centre which will do the needful taking into account the current global economic depression.Jai Hind 

By jinu 
12/30/2008 5:53:00 PM

 Check out the irony 4 killed and 12 injured in Israel and in return 375 killed and 1000 injured.Mumbai blast,Jaipur blast,Varanasi Blast ...................................so many died but how many killed or even tried ? I wish one these politicians get some sense some day. 

By Bechara Indian 
12/30/2008 5:50:00 PM

 Shame on these Indian politicians! They got no balls like Israel does! This is more than enough that Israel has seen till now. If these dumb headed Hamas militants do not understand whats peace and they want to see only Israeli blood, then this is the right answer. Israel should graze down all these elements and rub them off the face of earth! The same should be done to all crazy fanatic headed islamic militancies all around! Dont let them spread their bloody sick Jihad, just graze them down to the ground.They will never understand peace, their Jihad teachings are for death and killings. Will our thick headed politicians ever understand this!! They are like the wind, today they support one side, tomorrow they will support the other. I am sure, Pak based rats will do more and kill more of our people and we will see these politicians only speak loud for some months flex their muscles and show the vote banks and then cool off! Dont blame the Israelis now, loo at your own backyard now and 

By Kulkarni 
12/30/2008 5:32:00 PM

 Our babus simply dont have balls to be like israel. Hamas dont understand democracy,negotiations etc.. they understand only the language of blood and the world must retaliated in the same way. IMHO, NO ONE must negotiate with islamist elements, just replace kafir<->muslim and muslim<->kafir in the koran, then we'll have a perfect military,physho doctrine to deal with MOSLEM terrorists!!! 

By puma 
12/30/2008 3:33:00 PM

 What really Indian polity wants Israel to do. Say nothing and keep on facing continuous barrage of unprovoked rocket attacks from Hamas guys and plead them not to do so and run to USA to ask Hamas to stop acting foolish and Hamas keeps on vowing to attack Israel harder than ever before. These Hamas guys just do not understand language of peace, they are getting what they deserved best and need to be battered such that they never think of indulging in terrorist attacks. India always acted against its very own national interest and even though fully in know of the facts that Pakistan was going to develop nuclear arsenal but did nothing to destroy it in its nascent stage and now Pakistan, worse than a rogue state, indulges in all kinds of damaging acts against India openly and even before India would think of acting militarily throws the threat of attacking India with nuclear weapons. So, my gentle request to all these India's self-appointed world peace promotors (in spite of Pakis 

By Kuldeep Dhiman 
12/30/2008 3:20:00 PM

 India, You are a old one. If you cannot do something , Keep queit. Your skin is too thick. Shameless 

By laxmi 
12/30/2008 3:08:00 P