How to deal with China ???.....Brahma Chellaney

India-China: Let facts speak for themselves
The Prime Minister has underscored concerns over the perceptible hardening in China’s stance towards India. With its defence spending having grown almost twice as fast as its GDP, China is now beginning to take the gloves off, confident that it has acquired the necessary muscle . Rising power is emboldening Beijing to pursue a more muscular foreign policy not just against India, but also in the region extending from the South China Sea to Northeast Asia.

This has been exemplified by several developments — from China’s inclusion of the South China Sea in its ‘core’ national interests, an action that makes its claims to the disputed islands non-negotiable , to its bellicose reaction to the South Korean-US joint anti-submarine exercises in the Sea of Japan. And just the way China has staked its claim to India’s Arunachal Pradesh , it has asserted its sovereignty over Japan’s Senkaku Islands, which were part of Japanese territory all along, even during the US occupation of Japan.

Little surprise then that China’s neighbours are increasingly uneasy about the implications of its growing power. Beijing aspires to shape a Sino-centric Asia, but its actions hardly make it a good candidate for Asian leadership. Leadership can come not from brute force, but from other states’ consent or tacit acceptance.

China’s belligerence, significantly, poses a greater threat for India than for any other Asian nation for several reasons . One, China is mounting both direct military intimidation (as underlined by the abnormally high level of continuing cross-border incursions) and proxy threats against India, including by shoring by its longstanding strategic nexus with Pakistan. Two, the largest real estate China covets is in India.

Arunachal is almost three times bigger than Taiwan. Three, India has no formal security alliance with any other power and thus must depend on its own defence capabilities . And four, by seeking to badger India on multiple fronts, China is signalling that its real, long-term contest is more with India than with the US. The countries around India have become battlegrounds for China’s moves to encircle India . By assiduously courting these countries as proxies in its geopolitical competition with India, China has managed to make deep inroads into India’s strategic backyard — from Sri Lanka to Bangladesh, and Nepal to Burma.

Yet, the world knows more about China’s moves in the South China Sea and East Asia than its actions against India. At international conferences, even some experts on Asia are surprised when told simple facts, such as China’s increasingly assertive claim to an entire Indian state and its cross-border military incursions.


It is now a year since the Indian government put a lid even on the domestic press coverage of the Himalayan border situation. It was in September 2009 that senior government figures, from the PM down, spoke out against the strident Indian media reporting on Chinese border incursions. Since then, sources of information have dried up and newspapers and television networks have carried little news. It is not that the Chinese crossborder forays have ended or even moderated . It is just that Indian media organisations have little information to report, even though the incidence of Chinese incursions remains high.

Suppressing news on the border situation serves no interests other than China’s . It suits the Chinese agenda that the border situation is kept under wraps. Even in the pre-1962 period, India had made the same mistake by playing down China’s aggressive moves along the border. In fact, there are important parallels between the pre-1962 situation and the one now. Border talks have regressed, Chinese claims on Indian territories are becoming publicly assertive and their cross-border incursions are common. In fact, commentaries in military journals suggest that some in China believe that a swift, 1962-style victory in a border war with India is attainable to cut to size a peer rival.

Take another example. It was in June that the Chinese notified their refusal to allow the Indian northern army command chief to visit Beijing. But the Indian side leaked this notification to the press only in late August. It is still unclear what has been India’s response to the snub. Beijing has said flatly that it “has received no word that India has stopped military exchanges between the two countries” .

In the midst of such developments, the Indian external affairs minister gratuitously reiterated on August 21 that Tibet is “part of China” . That the Tibet issue remains at the core of the India-China divide is being underlined by Beijing itself by laying claim to additional Indian territories on the basis of alleged Tibetan ecclesial or tutelary links to them, not any professed Han connection.

There is absolutely no need for India to periodically renew its commitment to a ‘one China’ policy when China not only declines to reciprocally make a ‘one India’ pledge, but also mocks at India’s territorial integrity openly. Little thought has been given that by bringing India’s Tibet stance in complete alignment with China’s , New Delhi has undercut its own leverage while boosting China’s .

Without contributing to the rising tensions with China, India has to gently allow facts to speak for themselves — whether on the border situation, Tibet’s centrality or China’s overt refusal to accept the territorial status quo. Facts indeed are an anathema even to schoolyard bullies. By not hiding its intent to further redraw the frontiers, Beijing only highlights the futility of political negotiations . After all, a major redrawing of frontiers has never happened at the negotiating table in world history.

India should learn how Vietnam has managed to turn the diplomatic tables on China by not shying away from spotlighting the latter’s aggressive designs. In the process, China stood isolated at the last Asean Regional Forum meeting.

A stable equation with China is more likely to be realised if India puts premium on leveraged diplomacy and avoids a trans-Himalayan military imbalance. More broadly, China’s trajectory will depend on how its neighbours and distant countries like the US manage its growing power. Such management — independently and in partnership — will determine if Chinese power does not slide into arrogance.

US the wrong place to go to talk about Pak terror

By Dr. Jay Dubashi

The Chinese fooled even Nehru, for, he called all such incursions cartographic aggressions-Nehru was a master of words, for didn’t he spend time in Eton and Cambridge, where such words are coined?-meaning they were no problems at all and not worth fighting over. The Chinese didn’t think so. They may have invented paper two thousand years ago, but they have more faith in their armies than that in their fancy paperwork.

Our friend, Home Minister P Chidambaram is back from the US after reporting to his bosses over there that Pakistan is not behaving properly and India is deeply dissatisfied with progress of ‘investigations" into 26/11 supposed to be conducted by Pakistan. Read that sentence again and you will start laughing. Firstly, it was the Home Minister who was reporting to Washington, not the Foreign Minister. Now, why should a home minister, or any minister for that matter, report to anyone outside the country? Are we a colony of the United States? Do we have to report to them every now and then as the Viceroy used to do to 10 Downing Street from time-to-time when we were indeed a colony?

Then comes the bit about investigations. Who says that Pakistan is conducting investigations? The Pakistan government’s writ does not run beyond a few miles outside Islamabad. How long since we had any news about Asif Ali Zardari, who is supposed to be Pakistan’s President? Is he still alive, maybe reading that book about Jinnah by his favourite author, or has he been bumped, as most Pakistani presidents are? And if he is out of action, who exactly has taken his place?

The fact is that if Chidambaram was in the US to complain about Pakistan, he went to the wrong place. Pakistan, the little bit that still exists on paper, and America are allies, and have been allies ever since the birth of that country. The two allies collaborate closely on everything from nuclear energy to missiles, and while Pakistan pretends to fight the terrorists, America pretends to believe it is really doing so. America has had bases in Pakistan for the last 50 years and will continue to do so till kingdom come. And currently it provides a big base for their forces in Afghanistan.

In fact, Barack Obama has realised that he has lost the fight in Afghanistan and the American people are tired of sending their young men to fight all over the world from where they return home in caskets. They do not know why they are fighting in Afghanistan just as they did not know why they were fighting in Vietnam. The Vietnam war was over long before it was officially declared closed and so is the Afghan war. Actually, almost the whole of Afghanistan is now under the Taliban, except a few bits around Kabul and it is a matter of time before that falls too.

When Chidambaram goes to Washington to complain against Pakistan, he will be complaining to the wrong party, for, as I said, Pakistan is an ally of America, and nothing happens in Pakistan without the knowledge of the United States. I am quite sure Washington has a copy of the list of complaints he has taken with him. America is not a neutral party in the affair; it is very much involved in everything that is happening in Pakistan. If Chidambaram does not know this, he has a great deal to learn, just as he had a great deal to learn about finance when he became Finance Minister. If Chidambaram is so keen on the Washington trip, let him have one, but let him not pretend that he is doing anything useful. The Americans in the State Department, or to whoever he will be reporting, will be laughing behind his back and saying under their breath what a foolish lot Indians are, as our minister goes from office to office asking for a hearing.

Then there is another colleague of Chidambaram’s in the cabinet, the so-called Minister of External Affairs, so-called because we rarely hear about him, and who, one would have thought, would be doing what Chidambaram proposes to do. But SM Krishna, that is what his name is in case you do not know, seems to be the least informed Foreign Minister in this part of the world. He told reporters in Delhi that the India-China border is the most peaceful around India and our relations with China have never been friendlier.

You can say that again. Krishna feels that China’s incursions into India-and this is what our air force has said in so many words-are no incursions at all and in any case, there is a committee of experts to look into such problems. "I don’t think", said the man who is more interested in his wardrobe than in the goings-on in Ladakh, or wherever it is that the Chinese are massing, and called for his tailor to stitch another band-gala for his next outing in, where else, Venezuela.

If small-time committees could tackle problems of incursions, you would not need armies and navies at all. All wars start when nations intrude, often with their armies, into other nations’ backyards. This is how the Second World War started. Right up to the start of the war, Neville Chamberlain was saying that everything was under control, that all committees, to tackle border disputes were in place, and everybody could switch off lights and go to sleep. Incidentally, Chamberlain was fond of natty suits too, except that they were of the wrong cut, just like Krishna’s suits!

Actually it was Chamberlain, like Krishna, who was going to sleep, while Hitler was cooking up maps and alerting his cronies. Krishna is basically a babu; he thinks that all problems can be solved if you have proper files with proper notings and nothing can go wrong as long as the files are there. And that is precisely what Krishna is saying. He says that there are proper border dispute committees with a joint secretary, a deputy secretary and maybe a couple of peons, and as long as they have not reported anything, everything is fine. And if the Chinese are really intent on creating trouble, they will first inform the committee-in triplicate-and then we shall see what to do.

The Chinese fooled even Nehru, for, he called all such incursions cartographic aggressions-Nehru was a master of words, for didn’t he spend time in Eton and Cambridge, where such words are coined?-meaning they were no problems at all and not worth fighting over. The Chinese didn’t think so. They may have invented paper two thousand years ago, but they have more faith in their armies than that in their fancy paperwork. They came over the Himalayas, firing from all sides, and in no time at all, had Nehru running for cover, looking for help. And there was no trace of the border committees and, of course, Nehru’s faithful but useless servant, Krishna Menon.

We have another Krishna who operated from Maurya Sheraton at a cost of Rs one lakh per day, and he is going about mumbling the same nonsense. Surely, the least Manmohan Singh can do is get another foreign minister and send this Maurya Krishna back to wherever he came from!

China: An enemy at large

By M.V. Kamath

China is no friend of India. According to China expert Gordon Chang, author of The Coming Collapse of China, "China sees India as an adversary and wants to destabilise it". According to him, "China has supported terrorists who operate in India and China transferred nuclear weapons technology to Pakistan to keep India in check." The closer Pakistan is at the breaking point, the more China will try to encircle India by making friendly overtures towards India’s neighbours.

Does anyone remember the time when India was forced to take action against Pakistan forces in East Bengal as millions of refugees began to pour into West Bengal following the revolt of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman against Islamabad’s military misrule? Forced to take military action, India stormed into East Bengal and defeated the Pakistani Army and took 90,000 Pakistani soldiers as prisoners-of-war. It was at that time that one of India’s worst enemies, US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, tried to persuade China to attack India.

The same story at a different level is being enacted now. Pakistan itself is in deep trouble. It is scared that India may take advantage of its current situation and amass its troops along the Indo-Pak border. Pakistan, under pressure from the US has withdrawn a sizeable segment of its forces from the East for action against the Taliban in the West. Pakistan is afraid that India might take this opportunity and invade it. In the circumstances, the Pakistan Armed Forces must have persuaded Beijing to indulge in illegal activities along the Sino-Indian border to distract the Government of India.

According to the Indian Army chief, there were 21 Chinese incursions in June, 20 in July and 24 in August. Between 2006 and 2008 Chinese intrusions doubled from 140 incidents to 270. These are obvious tactics, but they should be taken seriously. For Shri SM Krishna, External Affairs Minister, to play down the aggressive tactics employed by China in the Ladakh region by saying that the Sino-Indian border is "most peaceful" fools no one. Shri Krishna may be playing the diplomatic game but either he is unwilling to read up on history or is ignorant of how China betrayed India even as Nehru and VK Krishna Menon were espousing Hindi Chini bhai bhai.

China is no friend of India. According to China expert Gordon Chang, author of The Coming Collapse of China, "China sees India as an adversary and wants to destabilise it." According to him, "China has supported terrorists who operate in India and China transferred nuclear weapons technology to Pakistan to keep India in check." The closer Pakistan is at the breaking point, the more China will try to encircle India by making friendly overtures towards India’s neighbours, Mynmar, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka. The United States can do nothing. Either it doesn’t want to or is incapable of taking China on-a nation to which it is deeply indebted. It is shocking to think that it is beholden to Pakistan for containing the Taliban.

To see the United States, the only Super Power on earth grovelling at the feet of Pakistan and promising it $7.5 billion in aid over five years, most of which goes into the pockets of the Pakistan Army, is unbelievable. An official US agency had charged Pakistan with misusing American aid to fight the Taliban by spending the money to buy arms to fight India. And now, to top it all former President Pervez Musharraf has himself admitted that Pakistan has been freely using US aid to strengthen its defences against India. In an interview he even went so far as to say that he did not care whether the US would be angered by his disclosure. Pakistan gets its arms practically free. India has to spend billions to match Pakistan’s offensive capabilities. The US is thus enforcing an arms race in South Asia to India’s detriment.

With the United States as ‘friend’, India does not need enemies. China is trying to keep India in perpetual fear of war and has had the impertinence to warn the Dalai Lama not to visit Arunachal Pradesh and especially Tawang. It is here that Dalai Lama halted in 1959 when he escaped from Lhasa. He has close links with a monastery there and he has every right to visit it. China’s remarks must be treated with total disdain. If once India gives in, China will misunderstand it as weakness and seek to make more demands.

Already there is a general feeling that India is weak-minded and can be easily threatened to submission. Delhi should not give the wrong signals. At the same time, Pakistan’s provocative act of firing rockets across the Wagah border calls for instant reaction. This also is a deliberate attempt to see how far Pakistan can go before Delhi reacts. The suggestion must have come from China. One sees more than a similarity between Chinese incursions in Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh and Pakistani infiltration into Indian territory. The United States can be of no help either way. It has been consistently unreliable in the last four decades. The disgraced Pakistani nuclear scientist AQ Khan has revealed that Pakistan was ready to test a nuclear bomb as early as 1984 as the US was inclined to overlook its clandestine atomic programme in the initial years, due to Islamabad’s involvement in the US-led war against the Soviet presence in Afghanistan.

The US even looked the other way when Pakistan bought 200 anti-aircraft missiles from North Korea during the Kargil War and the dollars came from US aid. Even when North Korean engineers came to visit the Kahuta nuclear plant in Pakistan quite openly, the US had nothing to say. A Q Khan got away, as they say, with murder. He could do anything illegal like supplying equipments to Iran or Libya and no questions were asked. The current Pakistani attacks have not brought out one single protest or warning from Washington. Obviously, as Gordon Chang says, everybody is aware of America’s current problems which prevents Washington from taking a strong stand.

Apart from ‘invading’ Indian territory, China is becoming a host to terrorists. What arms, for instance, was a China-bound UAE Air force plane carrying when it made an emergency landing in India? At first the pilot lied about the cargo. When its real nature was discovered, there were red faces. For whom were those arms meant for? Certainly not for China? They are obviously intended for terrorists who have been given shelter in China and who make occasional forays in North East India. Shri Krishna may not want to show his hand but if he really believes that the recent incidents are not a cause for concern, India is going to be in real trouble soon. The time is ripe to tell both Pakistan and China that there is a limit to India’s forbearance and they had better beware. Barbarians do not understand politeness. They understand power and the willingness to use it. Shri SM Krishna must think again. India has paid dearly for pussyfooting in the past. It would be foolish to repeat the performance all over again.

Incursion indicates China's unease over India's rise: US Experts & Also Publicś Opinion On Public Platform

A US think-tank has said that China’s recent aggression on Indian border is direct result of Beijing’s "nervousness over India's rise."

"Well, I think China is becoming increasingly nervous about India's rise. It's something that they have to deal with that perhaps 10-15 years ago they didn't believe was something that was necessary to focus on," said Lisa Curtis of the Heritage Foundation.

We saw this when they to tried scuttle at the last minute, the civil nuclear deal at the Nuclear Supplier Group meeting last year and so that was sort of an indication that China is not completely comfortable with India's rise on the world stage," said Curtis.

Recently, two soldiers of the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) were reportedly injured in firing from across the border on the Line of Actual Control in Arunachal Pradesh.

India, however, denied that two of its border guards were injured in firing by Chinese forces.

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Curtis said both the sides were mutually mistrustful of each other on the border issue.

"The border issue has lingered for a long time and I think both sides created mistrust on both sides. Perhaps since China is dealing with its internal issue, it has not been interested in completely resolving the border issue but that said. I do not think so either side is interested in any kind of conflict. But I do not see the negotiation moving forward either," Curtis added.

India and China fought a short war in 1962 and, despite burgeoning trade in recent years, mistrust remains.

The two countries have faced off at multi-lateral forums, including Chinese objections to a 60 million dollar Asian Development Bank loan for a project in Arunachal Pradesh.

Reports of Chinese "incursions" have become more frequent of late.

Army launches annual maintenance of forward posts

The Indian Army has launched a massive effort at strengthening forward posts along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China, which they described as "routine."

The effort, aimed at operational alertness and kick-started this week, comes at this time annually just before the weather gets worse during winters.

"Nothing much should be attached to this effort, which is carried out annually for maintenance of the forward posts before the weather makes it impossible. This is a matter of routine," Army sources said.

The effort will go on for a month and for the purpose, the Army has employed about half of its strength posted along the 4,057-km-long LAC in Jammu and Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand, Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh in active duty, they said.

This maintenance effort comes at a time when there have been reports of incursions by Chinese troops in Chumar region of Ladakh in Jammu and Kashmir where they brought in a military helicopter to air-drop food cans and painted Mandarin letters on some of the stones to lay claim to the territory.

These incursions, the Army had said, were "nothing unusual" due to differing perceptions of LAC on both sides.

Other media reports of Chinese fighter jets violating Indian airspace and firing at ITBP jawans in Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh in the last three months have been denied by the government.

The Famous Himalayan Blunder-Brig.John DalvyBy: Amit Bhartari | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 17:26:57 PM Reply | Forward This book has been banned by Congress Govt.Read this book to know what happened in 1962 , the foolish acts of Pt.Nehru. You will know that we are at the same stage once again and repeating same mistakes
Chinas uneasiness.By: Varghese Joseph | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 17:00:13 PM Reply | Forward Whether theres a mistrust or not, Iam sad the Indian side is not replying to any sort of border incursions with the Chinese. I prefer to see a determined and solid counter reaction from India to China, which keeps the entire Indian nation joy. To be honest, in any case of eventuality like a Chinese attack into India, Iam sure that whole Indian people would be there with Indian Army, the defence forces. Is there any doubt on that? But the basic things, to prove to the people, that India Govt. looks and is caring for its people, that is not yet conveyed to the people of India. Just protest with media, is not the answer at all. When do we think we cn change our policies?
Indiia can match China in all aspect..By: gus | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 16:02:57 PM Reply | Forward China grew at the expense of USA,E.U. and N.A.It's growth and its prosperity will soon fizzle out,have doubts check the economic facts.India model is a better model and by 2035 India will be at par with China,let no demagogue fool you.The doctrine of MAD will ensure that China will chicken out,whenit comes to fully fledged conflict.India has nothing to fear and focus on economic growth,as the dynamics are in India's favour and has beeter potential than China, longterm.
Broader VisionBy: Gautam | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 15:40:48 PM Reply | Forward Needless to say that the current Global Economic Condition does not give confidence that it is ready to sustain a war!It is time that both the countries see through the planning of some rival economies which do not want Asia to rise economically, socially
Everybody equally responsibleBy: Tauseef malik | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 15:19:25 PM Reply | Forward We must not forget the political turmoil that our politicians have landed us in.They mean their status even at the cost of entire country . They have always supported communalism , corruption and other related crimes . They think of themselves but never about country . we as citizens are equally responsible for degrading the vitality of the country . we vote the most incompetent candidates not becoz by mistake but out of prejudices entrenched within us against other communities . It is high time that we realise our responsibilities as good citizens and help in prospering our country . And it is only then that we can challenge any confrontation with valour .
India will continue to riseBy: vijay | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 15:19:15 PM Reply | Forward INDIA deserves to be a developed nation, unlike other countries we have been very good in all aspects . so hope abdul kalam's dream of seeing India as a developed nation in 2020 is coming true, and i pray to god that all Indians should work for this and need to destroy the religion barrier among us. weather its Hindu , Muslim or Cristian , we need to forward unitedly , let all religion peoples in India live in peace. jai hind
mrBy: joshi | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 15:16:32 PM Reply | Forward china is not a danger to India, it is the pakistan.though pak was defeeted by India all the time, but beeing shameless she will try again and again to attack India.India need to be carefull from pak.
China By: Dinesh | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 15:06:10 PM Reply | Forward I believe there is enough for both Asian giants to enjoy the economic growth and become global giants. Actually Asia stands on these two pillars and they can make sure the Global strengths move from West to East as they account for 40% on Global Population - the biggest markets.China and India should understand - harming each other is like playing into the trap by the WEST which believes in divide and rule.West will continue trying-China or India has a faith like Soviet / Russia and reduce them to vegetable nation. There are bound to be rogue elements in each country - but those are internal issues and such Rogue elements rise and fall - history has shown - we should not give tomuch importance to such rogue elements.So its for China
globalizationBy: nazar | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:55:13 PM Reply | Forward india and chinas economic success secret is globalization- chinas success is not a new thing- they invented Paper, and lot of contribution they already given-on reducing poverty china is far better than india- i don,t think chinas success is single party system or birth control- with out this United states , india won economic progress-
Need DiplomacyBy: Sanjay Chauhan | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:36:25 PM Reply | Forward War can be win from Guns,But Its Play from Mind
Diplomacy By: Sanjay Chauhan | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:34:47 PM Reply | Forward War can be win from Guns,But Its Play from Mind
China's stargic game planBy: Amit | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:22:32 PM Reply | Forward China want to create hevok in world which can divert focus from India- pakistan ties. and it can work as an alibi for pakistan to work on their stragic innfeltration and development of there terror network.
China's stargic game planBy: Amit | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:22:16 PM Reply | Forward China want to create hevok in world which can divert focus from India- pakistan ties. and it can work as an alibi for pakistan to work on their stragic innfeltration and development of there terror network.
THE BIGGEST THREAT INDIAIS FACING IS NOT PAKIS. BUT CHINA AND AMERICANSBy: n.r.i. | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:11:49 PM Reply | Forward THE BIGGEST THREAT INDIA IS FACING TO-DAY IS FROM AMERICANS AND CHINA WHO ARE CO-SPONSERS TO CARRY OUT PROXY WAR .THE TWO BGGEST LAIRS IN THIS WORLD ARE AMERICANS AND F@@KING PAKIS.INDIA HAS PICKED THE WRONG ALLY AND PUT ALL EGGS IN ONE BASKET . THE MOST TRUSTED AND TRIED ALLY RUSSIA IS FORGOTTEN ON THE ORDERS OF HIGH COMMAND WHO HAPPENS TO BE WAITRESS FROM ITALY , WEST . WAKE UP INDIA .
Chinese IncursionBy: KUMAR | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:06:46 PM Reply | Forward The Media says incursion but the government says no such thig has happened but why the a top level meeting of N.S.A has been called for in New Delhi today???????
This article is absurdBy: Raj Thackrey | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:56:18 PM Reply | Forward This article is completely absurd. First of all india can never in its wildest dreams can match the capabilities of china in its current form. Just taken the conventional warfare china can overwhelm india in a matter of days, check the history if you do not agree with me. Its better for india to stop this hysteria against china and manage its own infrastructure. The chinese are hard working and china is atleast twenty years ahead of india in development, the only thing they lack is the language but by 2020 china will be the country with maximum number of english speakers, check the statistics if you do not agree with me. By then india will not exist in its current form or break into pieces.
Anti indians votes for congBy: suchithra | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 16:52:39 PM Reply | Forward If an Anti Indian like you kep voting cong,the above said by you will surely happen.
Never trust the Chinese.By: Venkat | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:45:24 PM Reply | Forward One thing should be clear to our Mandarins in New Delhi. Never trust the Chinese or the Pakistanis and we should make it a state policy to initiate steps to undermine their authority wherever possible-Both within india and in their own countries. At the end of the day we may trust the Americans, the Russians and the French but not the Chinese. Let us not forget the way they tried to scuttle the Nuclear Agreement, their influence in India through the Communist Party of India, their massive support to the Naxalite groups in India, the support they have given to Pakistan and the war in '62. Our government should do its best to develop the North East to counter Chinese influence or risk losing the entire area to the 'Red Terror'.
True IndianBy: VSM | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:16:51 PM Reply | Forward China has encircled India by stategically helping our neighbouring countries against Indian Interests,Pakistan, Bangladesh,Mynamar,Sri Lanka, Nepal.It is taking Indian land in Inches as very slow pace coparable to peak evening Traffic speed of Delhi.China has made made startegic friends in Middle East like Saudi Arabia, UAE. In African continent it secured energy supplying deals with poor countries. India's Political class (both Ruling Party and Opposition Parties)is most selfish and has ensured that India remains isolated on the World map. USA is most untrustworthy country as a friend to any country. There history provess they USE and ABUSE nations. India has poor relations with Russia. India has no small or big nation as a true friend of any influence or capacity. China will attack India Militarily and we will suffer the defeat of 1962. We are condemend a life of shame subjected by our Politiciens. Armed Forces
Indian Army is superior than ChineseBy: Boby Mehta | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:13:12 PM Reply | Forward The fact is that a army with three million troops is useless against a small, mobile and well trained and dedicated army. Take the case of Israel, only 300,000 Israeli troops decimated the combined forces of Arabs in 1967 and has never lost a war. It is no use shaking in the boots, the combined strenght of Indian army (only army) is nealy 1.7 millions plus other para military forces. Indians are far more better trained and equipment of India is superior than Chinese. India can give a fitting reply to Chinese, it has not been made public but in 1967 (?) Indian army cut Chinese to their size at Nathu La. The only trouble is Indian political gutlessness and cowardice.
israelBy: indian | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:35:28 PM Reply | Forward Israel defeated Arabs with the help of American weapons
Why Pakistan Lost des[ite American Paton Tanks and Sabre Jets?By: Anil Gupta | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 17:45:27 PM Reply | Forward Sir, Wars are won not by weapons alone but by the men behind the weapons. Despite American Paton Tanks Sabre Jets India defeated Pakistan in 1965
GUJJUS BUILD BRIDGES WITH THE CHINESE.By: HARISH | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:12:37 PM Reply | Forward TO MY FELLOW GUJJUS,FOR FAR TOO LONG WE HAVE HAD TO PAINFULLY AND SILENTLY ENDURE THE INCESSESANT DEMONISATION AND ABUSIVE VILLIFICATION OF OUR STATE AND HER PEOPLE BY THESE SLUMDOG INDIANS AND WE KNOW THE TRUE TREACHEROUS NATURE OF THESE PEOPLE. WE DO NOT HAVE TO BLINDLY FOLLOW THEIR AGENDA BUT AS A STATE BUILD BRIDGES WITH THE CHINESE. THERE IS A LOT IN COMMON BETWEEN US AND THE CHINESE.
Let india play "TIBET" card.By: Bhagath | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:07:29 PM Reply | Forward India must openly support Tibetans aspirations of freedom Chinese rule.
Mischief MongrersBy: Iquebal Ahmed | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:49:23 PM Reply | Forward These yankees are real mischief mongreres. They can create discontent between any two countries of the world for their own selfish gains. The reality is that we cannot match the Chinese in any of the field they have excelled. They have already produced a single dose vaccine for swine flue. They are only next to 'NOWARTIS' in doing so. Now tell me what our scietists are doing? Sleeping over swine flue? The entire world watched the Chinese with awe the way they produced the infrastructure and conducted Olympic games. At present we are finding it hell of a job to conduct paltry Commonwealth games. These are only two small examples to prove their supremacy over all other Asian countries. Beware of Yankee dogs!
No paki trolls allowed hereBy: BP | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:20:46 PM Reply | Forward All we have to beware of are Pakis like you coming to our forum to troll. The US si our friend and ally now much to the disdain of you pakis. All China has done is to steal western technology and make copies. Their economic rise is purely due to stupid western countries who invested there and set up manufacturing. It is the export from these units that keeps the Chinese employed.
Fools ParadiseBy: Iquebal Ahmed | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:26:45 PM Reply | Forward You are a stupid feloow to commnent like this to my comment. Guys like you only think in terms hindus and muslims and India and Pakistan. You are living in a fools paradise.
Mischief MongrersBy: Jayadevan | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:13:17 PM Reply | Forward If Soviet Union can be dissolved, China too will be disintegrated into China, Tibet and Xingjiam(?). It is just a matter of time. Now regarding your statement "we cannot match the Chinese in any of the field they have excelled", tell me where India is not matching. China's success is mainly due to population control and single party system. Chinese have one child family system. How many in India will agree to that policy. On that day, India can surpass US, forget about china. Also, politicians in India are also equally responsible. In spite of all these adversities, India achieved this much growth rate. Fianlly, you dont have to be very much proud of Chinese system. In China, some religious people cannot offer prayers even during their holy months. All world, including "Yankees" allows that.
Nothing is MatchingBy: Iquebal Ahmed | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:30:42 PM Reply | Forward Take one more achievement not matching. Our 'Chndrayana' was a flop show and their 'Chandrayana' was a success.
are you kiddingBy: Vijay | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:22:00 PM Reply | Forward India has 800 million earning less than 1 US $. There is no public health care. We have crumbling infrastructure and massive corruption.please stop living in imagination. We have a long way to catch up with the west.If India is a moralistic society why do we have massive corruption in every government office, not just the 500 MP
chinese incursionsBy: narotam | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:40:48 PM Reply | Forward There is a saying --the only thing straight about the mainland Chinese is their hair!The Indian Govt should remember this and shape the economic and defense policies around that !
Chinese incursionBy: Jose Sebastian | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:32:58 PM Reply | Forward China has off and on intruding into Indian territory and later denying it and this has been the case for long. Of late they are uneasy about our increasing clout and acceptability as a regional power and has resorted to bullying like a school bully who need to be tackled.Looking the other way with the Chinese will be at a great cost for India and history should have taught us bitter lessons.If we remain on hibernation and denying incursions, it will only encourage the dragon to further provoke us and make us on the defensive. We should at least have the means to stand up to the chinese otherwise, we will increasingly have to deal with their aggressive intentions every now and then as their claim on our territory is never ending.
North East and main land connect neededBy: Ajay, Pune | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:24:09 PM Reply | Forward There has to be a focussed action on integrating the NE with rest of the country. While Education and over all jobs bring the people from NE into the mainland, tourism and agro industry can be the easiest to begin with.Govt also needs to start more Engg, Medical colleges. May be Mayavati should be given persmission to build whatever smarak or sthal... but in NE.
Nationalism should drive our development in Ladakh and NE StaesBy: Anil Gupta | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:08:29 PM Reply | Forward Sir, When China was building airports and laying railways deep inside Tibet our leaders were sleeping. When they were building peripheral roads we were sleeping. When they were surrounding our naval boundaries we were sleeping. This has been the general trend of our rulers particularly of Nehru clan. We do not have a long term national perspective in our defence perspective or national vision to safeguard our long-term national interest. It was PV Narsimha Rao who had declared that the area in Indian Ocean is ours and we can not allow any other power to interfere in our area of influence. But unfortunately neither NDA nor UPA-1 or UPA-2 has shown such alacrity in dealing with China. We should develop Ladakh much faster than at present. Similarly Arunachal, Sikkim and other north eastern states be developed rapidly to combat Chinese show of strength through its development of Tibet or other areas adjoining our borders because that affects the morale of our people.
DEVELOPMENTBy: TUWARAM DUTTA | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:04:27 PM Reply | Forward Development of entire North-East states should be the prime focus for GOI.Dilipadet roads, broken bridges, flood affected underdeveloped areas,hilly dangerous terrain etc. are the regular features of NE. COMMUNICATION BOTTLENECKS always creates a feeling of isolation with the mainland which results formation of so-much separatist
Indian PassivenessBy: sanjay | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:01:49 PM Reply | Forward And India has never been in a better position ever in its history than now when our economy and country is beginning to boom, there is plenty of money....but as usual we are led by incompetent and passive leaders with zero vision and foresight.
Through the mind of Chinese-2.By: Prabhudayal | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:01:30 PM Reply | Forward Indian economy is not any meaningful threat to Chinese, if the numbers alone are a consideration. But, there is a vast difference between the two economies, and how they are basically structured. Chinese richness is tied to trade excess with US and western nations. They have borrowed so much from China, that it is staggering. That number most likely exists only on paper, as the printed currency is recycled back in west. It is certain that that kind of debt can never be payed back in the same form and kind, as the west lacks the urgency for earth destroying mindset to balance the books. Lacking any other acceptable alternative, world has no choice except to live with the same order. If this order fails, and it would and logically should at some point in future, India would gain enormous advantage over China overnight. This natural progression can only be altered militarily; but the price could be unfathomable to the Chinese, as they may be counting pennies for a millenia.
There is more to it than meets the eye...Contd/-By: Sreenivasan Raju Aiyer | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:59:55 AM Reply | Forward Contd.../-Chinese Engineers who successfully completed the Three Gorges Dam across the river Yangtze generating 22000 MW of power have reached the implementation stage of this more ambitious project. Here, they are planning to divert the flow of Brahmaputra towards the Chinese North. In order to bring about this artificial turn in the flow of a giant river like Brahmaputra nothing short of a nuclear implosion would do. So that is what they are planning to do in the last quarter of 2010.Before that they would like to have the entire area of India’s North-East in general or the Arunachal Pradesh in particular under their geographic control so that any opposition to their selfish plans from its neighbour(s) can be silenced by this posture of sabbre-rattling across our borders! China even from its imperialist days is expansionist in nature. Their gobbling up of Tibet, eastern Kashmir (Aksai Chin), Xingjian in the past should serve as an eye-opener for the civilized world.

Indian PassivenessBy: sanjay | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:56:09 AM Reply | Forward 3) Speed up and launch the Nuclear submarine ASAP. Have a dozen of them roaming around the seas. 4) Immediately meet up with Taiwan and Japan and provide Taiwan with nuclear weapons and technology. 5) Declare Tibet as an independent nation which has a natural and long history with indian civilisation and culture and its integration with India is inevitable.
Fire BackBy: Bhargava | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:56:05 AM Reply | Forward India needs to take strong stpes in preventing the Chinese. Also, they should respond with strong defence interms retalitatory firing and others means of displaying the vigilance along the borders as we do the pakis.
This is to divert their internal unrestBy: none | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:55:57 AM Reply | Forward The Chinese are facing Muslim uprising and Chinese discontent. A war at this stage will change internal equation. So, the war.
What India may doBy: Arun | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:55:02 AM Reply | Forward Chinese incursion is the result of many factors. These may be (i) Frustration due to India's progress. China commented with a mood of jealousy on our success in Chandrayan, (ii) China is basically a country to grab more land. This is reflected in their action on Tibet. India's closeness to Dalai Lama is pinch for China. That does not mean we should avoid Dalai Lama. (iii) India is a big competitor for chinese market. Inferior quality Chinese drugs were sold under Indian name. There are many other factors also. Now India must develop the eastern sector to beautiful spots for tourist attraction. These will solve many problems.
Chinese are underdogs!!!By: Atamjeet Singh Bhatia | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:50:59 AM Reply | Forward Chinese are better than Indians in power and technology. They also know all the ways to fight a battle. They are creating problems in North by somewhere placing stone embedded with chinese language and somewhere else misguiding india of there false intrusion. I think India must relaize that china may attach india on some other front like Arunachal pradesh or else. This may help India to build a strong army at other places as well.
Indian submissiveness is disasterBy: sanjay | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:46:16 AM Reply | Forward It is increasingly scary and worrisome, that the indian govt has no concrete understanding of foreign affairs and issues. They treat countries as "friends". China is no ones friend! The only language china will understand is the language of force and might. What is wrong with our stupid leaders??? They are stupid, thats whats wrong! Indian leaders through from history keep repeating the same mistakes again and again. We are invaded, brutalised, bashed (like in australia) and humiliated world over. Can we move out of this "chalega or sab theek ho jayega attitude"? Here is a simple soln to deal with the chinkies: 1.Get ISRO and DRDO to immediately manufacture and deploy a 100 nuclear tipped ICBMs at Chinese cities. 100 nuclear missiles at Pakis. Another 50 ICBMS at US, UK, Aus, Europe. Projection of might is the only language that the modern world understands and give india the much needed respect that it deserves. 2) Recruit another 600 million soldiers.
Through the mind of Chinese.By: Prabhudayal | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:43:53 AM Reply | Forward What goes through the mind of chinese is most important. This article is indeed well written. Chinese have many alarms coinciding simultaneously. The rise of Indian economy and science, civic downfall and anarchy in it's 'arch-friend' Pakistan which has been supported at all costs to weigh down India, and it's internal unrest in key populations at the borders. Chinese in east have been blessed with plenty through millenia; and the only sustainable resistance to their empirehood has been religion, as it flourished in harsh and remote areas which rose to ferocious power relatively briefly during their favourable times. Only by crushing religion, which is a symbol of organised resistance to the chinese, they can claim everlasting victory (did many times !!). Current chinese aggression may be a deep itch for a masterstroke, that would bring Tibetans forever to their knees. It is time to involve Russia and US into the equation as stakeholders;as any other chinese goals seem unchinese.
China is our natural enemyBy: VIMAL JOSHI | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:40:46 AM Reply | Forward Actually China had never stopped to disturbe India and never it will. Actually, there are some relations which are made naturally opposite to person or state and since begining they are such that if even try enormously to track them on road but they are such that they never happend to any good, as it is destined not to happen.The same is with China, Pakistan etc. It will never happen that these countries will be our friend ever and will be in peace with us. If we think so we are a very big fool. China,Pakistan and America have never been good to us, as it was Russia - our reliable friend. At first it did opening war directly, secondly with the help of Pakistan and now is the time to do the deeds with little mixture. China is joining against us with each and every of our neighbours and will never be our friend. So we have to help ourselves by not taking mild decisions against any thing that is against our country at any rate,pace,time and matter. We must not live in oblivion.JAI HIND
Congress 'Bad Luck For India'By: wiser | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:40:23 AM Reply | Forward While there are reports of chinese intrusion poping up increasingly by the length of day , the downplay from the govt is awe struck. Two possiblities , one the govt keen to disguise the eastern neighbour and meanwhile try to fill the backlog of the detterent on NE border . Second one to disguise its own poeple while soldiers are being shot at by PLA. The second would be catastrophic for India and there is not much reason not to beleive that. The history of congress and its policy makers are supportive of that. They coined "HINDI CHINI BHAI BHAI" when china was rolling tanks in Assamese plains. Such is the pathetic policy of congress, result of which we have pakistan claiming on ICT(Indian controlled Kashmir) while it already has POK on west and China controlling 1/3 of Kasmir as Aksai Chin and laying claims over entire Arunanchal pradesh in addition to Sikkim. Congress never woke up from the dreams of being champions of non-violence.
Be aware.By: S.V.Ramanan | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:13:54 AM Reply | Forward It needs a neighbor to take note that you are a force to reckon with and you are not even aware of it.I recall Sri Lanka's Jayawardene's statement on India -' You do not know your strength.When you groan,we shiver'.Time we realized this and be aggressive in our foreign policy towards China which is recalcitrant.
Action not Reaction !By: Thomas Sarasam | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:12:49 AM Reply | Forward Chineese or Bangaladeshis or whoever! Our Border security policy should not depend on who is intruding from where ? It should rather be at the best interests of the people of India. Best interests as in Safetly and security, financially, poilitically, culturally and of course physcially. Sealing the borders and using BSF, ITBF and other similar forces to patrol Stringently is the only solution to this menace.
Easy method to circumvent the chinese By: Indo Canadian | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:10:01 AM Reply | Forward It is easy to circumvent the Chinese. Develop a super city in the east from the ground up to act as the regions Mumbai or Dehli, this will increase development in the region and solidify Indian claim to the land. It's one thing sending your soldiers into a wasteland or a jungle and painting a few rocks, but it is impossible to make the same statement by sending your soldiers into a city.
Easy method to circumvent the chineseBy: V Tiwari | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:56:40 AM Reply | Forward indeed a very good suggestion by Indo Canadian
Chinese intrusion is due to weak govt at the centreBy: Suchithra | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:00:12 AM Reply | Forward Chinese intrusion is due to weak govt at the centre.They are aware of this Nehru dynsaty very well
More unease for IndiaBy: Kalidas M | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 10:49:34 AM Reply | Forward China's unease should be more of our unease, too. Or, the ball (bomb) soon will be in our court, you see.
Chinese IncursionsBy: VR Venugopal Rao | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 10:48:15 AM Reply | Forward There is no use of blaming incursions. Prevention is better than cure. India should build up more Armed Forces along borders and concentrate on developing North east states on par with other states. Armed forces should play dual role both as a Security Agency and also as a Contributor to Development of Areas like Border Roads Organisation. Huge Investements are made in Infrastructure mainly on Highways. There are many areas in North east which do not have access to Roads which is the main reason for rising insurgency in North starting from Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, Manipur etc. Incursions are also happening from Bangladesh which are not coming to light. West Bengal has highest Migration from Bangladesh due to language coincidence and becomes difficult for the security agencies to detect these people. Seal the Borders, maintain highest vigil, there is high rate of unemployment, youth can be recruited in large numbers for protecting the borders.
corret but govt is interested only in powerBy: suchithra | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:49:45 PM Reply | Forward Good suggestions.100% right.But who will listen to us?Minority appeasing govt is only interested in power
Chinese IncursionsBy: Binod kumar | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:13:54 PM Reply | Forward Chinese Threat is real. We should strenghthen our Army with more powerful equipments at a much faster speed.It is important we deploy immediately Agni missiles with 5000 KM range fitted with Nuclear Bombs. We immediately start developing Missiles with 7000 KM range. We buy Nuclear submarines atleast 15-20 in numbers.We buy and deploy a minimum of 200 nos.Sukhoi and F16 or Eurifighter , at Eatern Borders. 1000 Nos.T-90's Tanks and Anti-missiles systems in suffucient nos. All these are not very dificult, provided we have will and all Political parties cooperate.I believe, after this preparedness China will forget to even blink. Next target should be that in case of war, we should be in position to recapture our lost land.
How come !By: chanakya | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 10:41:17 AM Reply | Forward The entire world has witnessed the incursion by the pygmies but why Indian govt wants to ignore and argue that nothing has happened. Is it a strategy or weakness ? Chinese are the last population to be believed . They have shown what they are in Pandit Nehru times and I don't think any of the present generation leaders can come any where near to those generations in policy making. The dragon must be hunted and kept at bay. Else it will devour what ever it comes on its way. Instead of enjoying joy rides it is time for some stren action along the borders. It would be interesting to know the reactions of some of the prestigeous new papers who day in day out support the dragon on all counts.

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Now, it’s the time to act. It’s enough and India should not take it lying down. India’s prestige is at stake and we just can’t be bullied by China anymore.

It’s indeed shocking and daring on the part of a Chinese strategist who asserted that India should be broken into 20 to 30 independent states with the help of the ‘friendly countries’ like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal and Bhutan.

We need to remind these Chinese that India has come a long way since 1962. The message needs to be sent loud and clear. India needs to have a well-planned strategy to counter the evil designs of China. We need to be pro-active and must consider all possible options to thwart any aggression on the part of the Chinese.

India would do well to corner China globally. We should weigh the pros and cons of whatever action we might contemplate against China.

Zopag.com asks its readers: What to do with China?

1) Align with America and try to isolate China globally

2) Use Dalai Lama and Tibet issue to keep China in check

3) Diplomatically isolate China

4) Boycott Chinese products

5) Take Chinese human rights violations to the UN

6) Talk to China, but be firm.

Chinese threat by Gireesh on 2009-08-13 00:00:00
I feel a combination of the above stated action points should be put together to evolve a broad strategy. China's advantage with respect ot other countries lies in its massive economic strength which is fuelling its military upgradation. India will have to improve its economy. But this will not be enough. We need to form a string of alliances with countries like Japan , Australia and even vietnam. Then we should have a strategic alliance with USA. All these steps will be opposed tooth and nail by China's proxies in India, but we have to push on regardless.We should also allow private participation in our defence industries.
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Never rely on chinies word by Indian on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
The only was is to be so strong that they fear you. Get the latest weapons money can buy till you develop an indigenous system of your own which is cheap and will help the local industry. Never overlook on the border incursions by china. Build the best infrastructure on border area for easy deployment and a regular exercise to show you war ready worthiness. Use to the fullest extent the aerospace capabilities from ISRO to guard the country 24X7.
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china by Sanjiv Dhume on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
First and formost we need to reliaze that no one is going to fight our wars. So, we should stop relying and worrying about any Tom, Dick and Harry comming from US and other westeren nation and saying some thing on Kashmir or other. Who gives a damn who says what, we should Think, Act and Do the right thing for India, and not woory about other. In this not only Indian Governmet but also indian media are so obsessed with west, that they carry 24-hr news. why do we care e if some third rate actor in USA marryies or divorces in USA, it is reported in Inida. Do they even know who Amitabh is in west. If they don't care to know why do we? Why do we have such complexion. The moment we reliaze this and act no one can stop us.
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breakup theory by tc shivaswamy on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
we have billions of landless 7 unemployed people who can be trained 7 settled in our border states with proper military training.compulsory military training to all youth above 18 yrs,7 creating national awareness among all so that the real value of liberty is understoodby all.as eternal vigilance is the price of liberty &freedomthe entire cuntry should be united.whatchinese r telling is not new many of our own progressives r harping on the same theory to boost their selfish agenda.It is history repeatingwhich has many lessons for us. Have we learnt anything from it or are we aunder the spell of bollywood dreams?wake up motherland...vande mataram...
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China and founders of india by Jake on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
For the sake of Nehru, Gandhi and Jinnah foolishness to see hindu and muslim divide, they should have divided KASHMIR. Hindu portion of Kashmir for Nehru to rule as PM and Muslim portion of Kashmir to Jinnah. Then India would kicked both and captured Kashmir. The rest of India, Nepa,. Burma, Lanka, Pak, Tibet... should be one country BHARAT under AN ABLE STRONG LEADER that could KICK THE ARSE OF ANGREZ AND CHINA . Coming to caste stuff that China is blabbering, the aboriginal Indians were one race/family, they had no problem with one brother being Brahmon, other being Ksatriya (guard), other taking care of cleaning and last family member being trades person. Caste was all about sharing work in community of Aborginals Hodoos. THEN CAME OUTSIDERS, they only wanted to join certain professions/caste, this is when the frictions happened. Caste was never bad when aborginal native indians practiced it. SO CHINESE BANKS ITS KNOWLEDGE on Angrezi divisive mindset on caste, religion, etc. India should not be shoved into chinese face to save Angrez. But Chinese are talking like Angrez to please the angrez.
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China and founders of india by Jake on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
For the sake of Nehru, Gandhi and Jinnah foolishness to see hindu and muslim divide, they should have divided KASHMIR. Hindu portion of Kashmir for Nehru to rule as PM and Muslim portion of Kashmir to Jinnah. Then India would kicked both and captured Kashmir. The rest of India, Nepa,. Burma, Lanka, Pak, Tibet... should be one country BHARAT under AN ABLE STRONG LEADER that could KICK THE ARSE OF ANGREZ AND CHINA . Coming to caste stuff that China is blabbering, the aboriginal Indians were one race/family, they had no problem with one brother being Brahmon, other being Ksatriya (guard), other taking care of cleaning and last family member being trades person. Caste was all about sharing work in community of Aborginals Hodoos. THEN CAME OUTSIDERS, they only wanted to join certain professions/caste, this is when the frictions happened. Caste was never bad when aborginal native indians practiced it. SO CHINESE BANKS ITS KNOWLEDGE on Angrezi divisive mindset on caste, religion, etc. India should not be shoved into chinese face to save Angrez. But Chinese are talking like Angrez to please the angrez.
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UNITY by mr a on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
no body helps any body.India should build up all forces with latest weapones ( Israiel,USA. sweden weapone ) .no kick back in this deal for the sake of nation. power is the only way for deterence not for war .keep ur politics option open if necessery ... we have no choice left
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by sunny on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
Well lets not get emotional we know we are a weak nation & china can run over us any moment they want let our prime minister say PLEASE to them & sorry for anything they felt bad.
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Just recognize Taiwan by Indian in Taiwan on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
By recognizing Taiwan as a country and establishing full deplomatic relationship with Taiwan India will not only hit China where it hurts most but will also secure trust of largest foreign investor in China. Over 50% of large companies in China are owned by Taiwanese. India should focus on taking this valuable asset out of China and bring them over to India.
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Contain Chaina by Sid on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
Every one is entitled to an opinion and so does China. They will think in their national interest and so must we. The point is if they do try anything, what is the leverage that India has or does not have to prevent such a calimity. For proxy war: India must develop resources within china that must be sleeper cells which will create havoc in case of a go ahead from their handlers here. For Full scope war: One of the biggest ve learning of the cold war was mutually assured destruction. India should scale its capabilities to ensure china does not survive if India is at risk. we can all be naive and imagine we are as powerful as china , but we are not. may be in some fields we are ahead and in some we are not , but ultimately money counts and china is way ahead of us, so in peace time working on building counter measure assets is the best bet to keep our enimies at bay. And unfortunately this cant be done overnight !!
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Measures to counter chinese agression by S Desai on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
There are several things india must do as a nation to counter chinese agression. 1.Put claim on Tibet which is occupied by china and make our stand on Sikkim and Arunchal very loud and clear. 2.Support Xinjiang region's efforts to seek freedom from china both politically and financially. 3.Aksai chin,we must get it back keeping in view it's strategic importance. 4.Involve our north eastern states to have active part in the development of our nation. 5.Indian govt. must support industries,so that our reliance on china is as low as possible and alternatively we can also increase our exports which will directly compete china. 6.Indian army needs to develop strong infrastructure along sino-indian border. 7.Diplomatic efforts must be consistently active in the fields like WTO,UN against China. 8.improve relationship with china's enemies and even try to create enemies. These are just a few points that must be initiated so that these people will know their limits and they must always feel the heat from us.
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Breaking India by Abdul Ghani on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
Thanks to China. It has made us to realise that our infight basing on religion,region,caste and language are dividing us. Our patriotism seems to have vanished. Elections are faught not on the basis of social issues but on the basis of sentimental issues which divides the society and the entire Nation.. Now atleast our leaderss should make the common man to realise that we are Indians first and all other things are next.Political parys based on reliion, region, languages should be barred. Then no force in the earth will succeed in dividing us.
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How to deal with World by Ram on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
Well simple, we need to talk from stregth. make India more and more strong, economically as well as intellectually. These stupid Chinese are chockroches. They will keep on surfacing. We have to start showing stregth starting from pakistan. Teach a strong lession. It will make whole World to start respecting. Otherwise, remeber respect is never begged. It is earned. The way Sonia brigade and disable MMS are acting, we are looking like a laughting stock all over World. No wounder, every Nation will count us as a looser.
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China Vs India by ravi on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
GIVE UP. Chinese are way organized,disciplined and smart. Indians arrogant,loud mouthed,greedy,unorganized,gloating people.
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What to do with China? by geesang on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
Why doesn't Indian medoa for once do some factual analysis? In a modern world where no one is a permanent friend or foe none of the above on its own will work. Even to suggest diplomatically isolate a country which is expected to be economically at par with US is foolish. Multilateral engagement with China, expanding the economy vigorously, engaging China and the EU etc. are the only means for India to stay relevant.
China by Chackochan on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
For a long time ,we r taking chin's tantrums lying down.Now it is high time we react positively, enough is enough. Try to rake all the issues globally, Tibet, human rights violations, stop Chinese goods. They are playing the big brother game. Re orient our military strategy to contain china.
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Get a handle on china by Raj on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
Go full blast on all of the above without any delay.
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by geetika on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
we should stop all trade/ties with China.Not allow any made in china products to enter our territory. Boycott chinese products.
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How to handle India by Kathir Gaman on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
Let us not ask ourselves how to handle china but let us first of all ask ourselves HOW TO HANDLE OUR OWN CORRUPTED POLITICIANS? corrupted gouvernments, and How to uptroot the corruption in all over India through a tough law. without stopping immediately the corruption and and corrupted politicias , you can't handle china where there is no corruption and if anyone is found in corruption he will be in life imprisonment or executed within 24 hours. But in India it is different and corruption is free everywhere. and china can buy a communist minded Indian from India for any amount of money!!!!! Only a better educational system, corruptless and strong economic India can handle china or Pakistan.
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Let us break India into 20 states by kathir Gaman on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
Yes It is quiet possible that , if China wants, due to our backward policy on education, corruption and we have still very old politicians running the gouvernment.countries like Nepals, Sikkim, should be hedlped by India to reduce chinese influences. communist parties in Indis should also give a hand to India but not to china. India can still succeed in keeping the whole Indian states under central gouvernment on codition that all these troubles states should be helped economically to satisfy the local poplations. It is time for us to stop giving aides to other foreign countries but let us first focus on our own states to improve their life as Indians. All the Indians states close to china and Pakistan should be hedlped impartially and make all these states to feel that are happiest citizens of India .
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Tackling China by anand s devnani on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
How to deal with China requires careful thought. Bravado , slogans or chest thumping will not help.WE must deal with China the way it has dealt with USA ( remember in 1990's China needed certification each year from US President for trade etc. At present USA is dependent on China for credit- China holds trillions in USA govt debt instruments). WE need to work hard and be disciplined to strengthen our economy,defence both internal and external,scientific research and education systems and society at large (no internal divisions).Then think of tackling China . Probably it may not be necessary then. Germany and Sweden are few countries who are not members of UN security council etc but in their quiet way keep working hard and you don't hear any body making disparaging remarks about those countries.Hard work and discipline.
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HAVE YOUR SAY: How to handle China by Viv on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
The best way to counter them is to improve our nuclear forces. Build more Nuc Subs, and improve the quality of our delivery systems. It will always be better if we depend on our own R&D, rather than depend on others.
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by Joe Dias on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
Boycotting Chinese products is a good idea but do we have an alternative cheap source? The only way to keep China in check is for India to be an economical global power, which is very much within its reach. India should have a higher foothold economically.
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Barking dogs seldom bite - That's China by Appu on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
Ignore!The most powerful weapon.Barking dogs seldom bite.Let me tell you that China is already in pieces but just held by the force from the communist party. Come see the Chinese folks in North America and they will tell you all. It is a crumbling world, just that it starts from the center and moves outwards....so we cannot see it. Talk to these folks who have migrated to North America and they will tell you how much they despise their country. I have not come across a single soul yet, in the past 8 years here who is from India and says he hates India. That is the difference. Indians move out of India not because they hate India but they just want to make a few more bucks and live the American dream for a while, whereas Chinese move out because they hate the system to the core. See the demonstartions they have out here against their own country. IT is a "man eating man" scenario there. Being behind the iron curtains, the media is suppressed so as to contain all shitty stuff within. So guess what happens?? It will rot inside and eventually explode. No matter how much their warfare capabilities improve and so does their economy, India will always remain a force to RECKON with and history says that. The best "mantra" is to give them a BIG ignore.....and of course keep good ties with the USA...goes without saying. Trust me we need that at all times.
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Let Everone know this ! by Proud Indian on 2009-08-12 00:00:00
a) Spread awareness among all Indians about China's evil intentions. Let our media ensure that every Indian must be aware of it. This should be debated in schools, colleges & all possible places so that people are mentally prepared to take on any such onslaught. Preparedness is the first line of defence. b) Talk to China & raise this issue on every forum. Show to the world what China is up to. c) Isolate our communists leaders who are the biggest supporters of China. If they don't listen, we may treat them as we treat anti-nationals. This will be a big blow to China.
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Great India, dream will not come true by Raghav Lyon on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
India should be ready to improve herself from inside which includes castism and racism. Everyone has to take onus to work for India not for themselves, community, religion, state and if some space left then they think about country. Not to mention corruption has to be lower, I am not saying has to be removed but should be lowered. India should open manufacturing units in different segments and provide work to the unemployed population, it has to be controlled by semi-government organization. Once this is done then imporve the infrastructre in border to china, pakistan, bangladesh. After that stop import from China and use Tibet & Ughyr to weak china and look for new opportunity to weaken. Be a good ally with South korea, america, taiwan, japan and other countries who doesn't have good or strong relation with china, which mean very good foreign policy and diplomacy. Oh.. all above is just a dream because we Indians, proud to be indian, have water in bones. We always look for chinese product which are cheap, not mention chineese girls too. I guess I have said enough rest is upto we indian and our great indian politicians
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China by Paul Alexander Gupta on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
China is one country which has boundary problems with every neighbor. Koreans, Indians, Japanese, Vietnam, Thai, Koreans, Tibetians, Taiwan, and so on. China is a loosely conglomerate of many ethnic communities, many languages, dialects, people, religion, etc. They know that they have to keep pushing the people down, aggravate countries like India who have no foreign policy on how to handle it, bribe parties like CPM and CPI who can be their paid agents in India, play with human rights and they can keep doing it as long as American customers and others worldwide gets cheaper products from them. So how should India handle them? Easy...Have a comprehensive policy. We need to have military, politically, tactically handle them. They are emotionless. We cannot show emotions. We need to show them that India is a mature country which is not going to take their bullshit.
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Indian Strategy by S.Venkat on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
1. Talk to China but be firm. 2. If Any of Our Neighbours Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh, Pakistan attempt to destabilise India-Please straightaway Demolish Them. 3. Put India on a Solid Economic Platform so that we have more Respect, Power, Clout on the International Arena. We have no choice on this issue. Lets do it.
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How to deal with China by Thom Dank on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
1) Simple. Why India scared to attach Pakistan even though thousands die in India by the terrorists from Pakistan? They said they will use nuclear weapon to protect their territory even if India did not use it first. India should publically state we will use nuclear weapon if China takes an inch of Indian land. 2) India should claim Tibet and China occupied Kashmir back and support every independence movement in China. 3) Accelerate economic development so that we have enough money to modernize weapons and build infrastructure through out chinese border
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Chinese threat by P K Agrawal on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
Sir, With the exception of the first suggestion on aligning with US, none of the other suggestion would work to address Chinese design to break up India. This is real. Most importantly, Indians in general, and the mandarins in South block must see through the Chinese mentality. We have not learned our lessons from the war in 1962 and continued incursions by Chinese in to Indian territory. Unfortunately, Indian politicians and adminsitration has no long-term vision and committment on national security and integrity. Soft paddling with China does not work. They only understand the language of force. we must deal with chinese from the position of strength. External threats can not be handles if we are weak internally. We have not taken any steps for integration of eastern states and Kashmir in to the mainstream. Have free flow of population from other parts of India into these states, allow population from other parts of India to settle in kashmir, handle separatist forces with iron hand (just as the Chinese do) and take national security threats seriously. Only then the external threats can be handled and addressed successfully. Take note that other nations only understand the language of strength. We are too timid and get bullied by everyone. serwe have been soft on internal security threats from maoists and other separatists. , in fri c.
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Make a reality study. by Indian on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
China has to study the history again & again. Budhism, a religion that is still like hinduism and part / heart & soul of hinduism, is there in China for more than 2000 years. Chinese are not the first ones to learn / start martial arts in the world, but India is. Maha Bodhi, an Indian budhist monk taught martial arts to China and the Shaolin temple was built by the Chinese kings for this monk to teach the chinese in Hennan province. There are many temples, sculptures, artifacts are the gifts of these religious / cultural venture in to this land. Chinese music & arts has quintessentially Indian influence. And the knowledge of science, maths, astronomy & astrology etc are part / essence of Indian vedas, epics, puranas & saints contributed these and many more in Sanskrit language. Yoga, Ayurveda & Kamasutra are not gimmicks and practiced in India & world over. The spirituality, attainment & human life and death were elaborately discussed in these knowledge banks. The words, explanations of aeroplane, sound tracing arrows, the deadly weapons like Brahmastra, the culturing of human embryos outside the body (what has been done to 101 Kauravas in Mahabharatha), leaving one's body and entering of others body by the soul, vidyut (electricity) etc. can be found in Sanskrit literature which has been forgotten in India, but the modern world science have found these things practically. So these knowledge that India had, cannot be said just as fictions. So if China wants to take on India by any dubious methods or spreading misgivings, it will face utter failure. World has to think why India practicing caste system or discrimination in its soil & against its own people. For thousands of years India was facing aggression, invasions for being too good and having ancient knowledge and vast wealth. The enmity and dividing & snatching away mentality of those has divided this country. India is waking up to its past and it will one day rule the world with its knowledge & wisdom as much as in the history by its natural & greatest of great strength, but without force, or aggression and political control. World has forgotten this and external world tried to twist the facts by going against the reality. Let the truth behold the future. Falsification will fail and bring shame when the truth is out. India has to be patient and stand up to the occasions against such attempts.
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Go by truth. by Indian on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
China has to study the history again & again. Budhism, a religion that is still like hinduism and part / heart & soul of hinduism, is there in China for more than 2000 years. Chinese are not the first ones to learn / start martial arts, but India is. Maha Bodhi, an Indian budhist monk taught martial arts to China and the Shaolin temple was built by the Chinese kings for this monk to teach the chinese in Hennan province. There are many temples, sculptures, artifacts are the gifts of these religious / cultural venture in to this land. Chinese music & arts has quintessentially Indian influence. And the knowledge of science, maths, astronomy & astrology etc are part / essence of Indian vedas, epics, puranas & saints contributed these and many more in Sanskrit language. Yoga, Ayurveda & Kamasutra are not gimmicks and practiced in India & world over. The spirituality, attainment & human life and death were elaborately discussed in these knowledge banks. The words, explanations of aeroplane, sound tracing arrows, the deadly weapons like Brahmastra, the culturing of human embryos outside the body (what has been done to 101 Kauravas in Mahabharatha), leaving one's body and entering of others body by the soul, vidyut (electricity) etc. can be found in Sanskrit literature which has been forgotten in India, but the modern world science have found these things practically. So these knowledge that India had, cannot be said just as fictions. So if China wants to take on India by any dubious methods or spreading misgivings, it will face utter failure. World has to think why India practicing caste system or discrimination in its soil & against its own people. For thousands of years India was facing aggression, invasions for being too good and having ancient knowledge and vast wealth. The enmity and dividing & snatching away mentality of those has divided this country. India is waking up to its past and it will one day rule the world with its knowledge & wisdom as much as in the history by its natural & greatest of great strength, but without force, or aggression and political control. World has forgotten this and external world tried to twist the facts by going against the reality. Let the truth behold the future. Falsification will fail and bring shame when the truth is out. India has to be patient and stand up to the occasions against such attempts.
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Our Indian race by Ram on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
India is way too deferential towards China. India MUST emulate China, act for act, in the way it treats India. With contempt. In addtion, all Indic peoples in Pakistan, Nepal and Sri Lanka need to be reminded that they are not Han Chinese but of Indo-Asian racial heritage. None of us would fare well in an Asia dominated by Han Chinese mongols and it up to us to protect our South Asian homeland and our children and grandchildren. We cannot rely on anyone else. India needs to take a page from Israel in defending its own race.
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Open discussion. by Satisha on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
Start an India specific web that is maintained with government official views and statements as well as supported by a publishing house with public / netizens views. With a reality based propagation of truth and facts, make this web available through out the world and viewed by all the people / concerned governments' officials in those countries. A nation's strength lies in its ability to show the truth against false propaganda and make these propagandists shut their mouth when falsifying. Invite those prominent people /netizens from both India and China for open discussion and talks. Government to government talks will remain in secrets, but the open views will have great impact as it won't allow for lies.
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handling china by ajaybali on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
best strategy is to be on constant vigil ,stay united at all cost ,be an Indian first and Indian last ,keep on the lines of communication open with china ,but do not compromise on national integrity . China is an economic giant ,economic ties with china are benefecial to India , it will be better for India to align itself with friendly countries like Japan USA and vietnam ,wait for favourable time ,which is bound to come ,democracy in china is going to come eventually ,promote the development of a democratic china not a communist china ,keep the lines of communication open with taiwan ,tibet and ugers
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How to handle China? by Raj on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
i. Enemy's enymy is my friend ... Did I hear Taiwan/Tibet my friend .. ii. Kick CPM party out of India : send them to China instead ... iii. Teach our next generation to love n care our own country right after parents .. iv. Hit where it hearts !! Ban chinese good or impose heavy duty .. v. Play with your enemies week point : be sympathetic to Tibetans, Uyghur, non existing human rights in China .. vi. Do we really have foreign policy ? If not may we see some ( efective ones !! ) vii. Have strong policies ( which I doubt considering all these CHIMPs in the business of pilitics ) to effective improve our country interms of infrustructure and business inflows ..
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China my foot by dwaraka on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
When we have those politicians who are worse than the talibs or the terrorists group this is bound to happen. So far the public has written the response what about the policitians dont they read news paper. First let us cut them into 30 pieces each and then go behind china.
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Break China in to 1000 pieces by auplainsman on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
Diplomatically isolating China is impossible for India right now. The best way to tackle a bull is to tackle it by it horns. We should support freedom struggle of the Tibetan people by supplying them with arms and ammunition as well as help the separatist Uygurs in Xinjiang the same way also establish full diplomatic relations with Taiwan. Block all goods that are being imported from China and tarnish their reputation by supplying bad products to the rest of the world as made in China (Chinese are doing this to us already, so this is fair). India has ignored China long enough, we need a comprehensive strategy to reclaim all areas that were lost to China up to McMohan line. Arrogant Chinese should be given a taste of their own medicine. India should help break china in to 1000 pieces which would be better not only for Asia but the entire world.
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Break China in to 1000 pieces by auplainsman on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
Diplomatically isolating China is impossible for India right now. The best way to tackle a bull is to tackle it by it horns. We should support freedom struggle of the Tibetan people by supplying them with arms and ammunition as well as help the separatist Uygurs in Xinjiang the same way also establish full diplomatic relations with Taiwan. Block all goods that are being imported from China and tarnish their reputation by supplying bad products to the rest of the world as made in China (Chinese are doing this to us already, so this is fair). India has ignored China long enough, we need a comprehensive strategy to reclaim all areas that were lost to China up to McMohan line. Arrogant Chinese should be given a taste of their own medicine. India should help break china in to 1000 pieces which would be better not only for Asia but the entire world.
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HAVE YOUR SAY: How to handle China? by meher on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
There is no doubt that China has expansionist designs and India has to be very careful while dealing with China.Our late prime minister Jawahar Lal Nehru made the mistake of believig in China's glib talk and suffered humiliating defeat in 1962.That should be enough to India to learn its lesson.Although India is much better prepared to defend itself,but there should be no copmlacency and we must remain on guard all the time.
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CHINA by AJ on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
Do all the above. Most importantly stop accepting Tibet as part of China. Stir trouble in Xinkiang province. Kick the Maoists out of Nepal who are stooges of China working to damage Indo-Nepal ties forever. Problem is of course our pusillanimous polity which is well and alive as can be gauged from PM's statements in Egypt.
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How to handle China? by VasuDev on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
None of 1~6 options u listed will work. India, if tried on those options it will set further low its prestige. US has $15 Trillion debt to China. US itself may later sell California to China. US don't help. Best option to deter Chian interests- Support Taiwan Independece, India should voice Taiwan Independence in UN.
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China by karamirch on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
Position nuclear ICBMs towards Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong (like what Russia did in Cuba). China will do the same to us but at least they will know we mean business. Fester problems in NW China, Tibet and other non-Han regions. There are many locals who would do that for money as regional China is very very poor. Keep their administration and army busy with internal squabbles
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by ARUN on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
INDIA MUST DEVELOPE H-BOMB ASAP TO COUNTER CHINA AND THE TERRORIST STATE PAKISTAN.JAI HIND.ALWAYS.
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China by Ashok Bhagat on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
All these suggestion are OK, but they are all palliative. The point is that we have to be strong, united and corruption free. That with some smart leadership we will be just fine with or without those 6 items.
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by aubrey bout on 2009-08-11 00:00:00
Do not trust the chinese. We must be self sufficient. India must forget to follow blindly chinese foriegn policy. We should do what is in our interest and not go with china just to please them. This policy creates a kind of weakness on our part.
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China’s Kashmir

In an opinion piece titled “How does China handle its Kashmir?” in the latest issue of Organiser, S Gurumurthy writes: “That China too has its Kashmir and problem with Islamist separatists identical to India’s Kashmir is not widely known. Xinjiang is China’s Kashmir. Xinjiang actually shares borders with Ladakh in India’s Kashmir. China’s Kashmir is physically 100 times bigger than India’s and therefore its problem too is that bigger. Yet many do not know about it. The reason is that China prevented Xinjiang, its Kashmir, from becoming an international issue like India’s Kashmir. Xinjiang, which had a majority Turkish Mulims [known as Uyghurs] in 1949, had a short lived state of East Turkestan. China invaded it, crushed it, won back its territory. The name Xinjiang literally means ‘old frontier returns to China’! See the contrast. A year earlier, in 1948, India almost won back most of the Kashmir from Pakistan which had invaded it, but, voluntarily offered and turned it into an international issue. It was India, not Pakistan, which went to the United Nations; made it an international issue. It is struggling to say it is a bilateral one! Now, on to how China handled Xinjiang, its Kashmir, and integrated it with mainland China.”

He adds: “Xinjiang has a population of 20 million plus. The Uyghur Muslims constitute 45 per cent; other Muslims 12 per cent and Hans 41 per cent. What was the population of Han Chinese in Xinjiang in 1949? Just 6 per cent; in six decades it has risen by seven times. This change did not occur on its own. China did not just trust army or administrative control of its territory in Xinjiang. It trusted only its people. It ensured that the Han Chinese slowly began populating Xinjiang. The result is self-evident. But the 41 per cent Han Chinese population does not include Chinese defence personnel and families, and unregistered migrant Chinese workers”.

He concludes: “Yes China do have problem with Islamist separatists, extremists and terrorists. But it has, by diplomacy and action, kept that an internal problem of China unlike India which has on its own made the Kashmir an international issue. China has changed the religious and political demography of Xinjiang by ensuring that 41 per cent of the province’s population is non-Muslim. Instead of working to change the demography in favour of India like China has done, the Indian government, in contrast, could not even prevent the expulsion of the Hindus from the Valley. While Xinjiang is half filled by Han Chinese, Kashmir is cleansed of the Hindus. With the result, India has to defend Kashmir by the army instead of by the people. Had India followed the policy which Chinese had adopted in Xinjiang, conquering back Kashmir instead of contracting under Article 370 which prevented rest of Indians from migrating to Kashmir, today Kashmir would have demographically integrated with India. India would be dealing with internal riots occasionally like China does; and not face or fight wars with Pakistan and with terrorists everyday. The lesson for India is: demography — religious demographic balance that is in tune with the national mainstream — is the guarantee for the nation”.

Arunachal: Don't sleep, act India act

Alankar Srivastava
Published on Fri 10th Jul 2009 12:06:53
July: Let's start with a short story. After creating this world and different countries, God was explaining his disciples how he maintained balance. God said, “Africa is rich in natural resources but has climatic variations. America is rich and powerful but there is a sense of insecurity”.

Then he described India as his most prized possession. God said, "This is the most amazing with wonderful people. It has got rich culture, tradition and is blessed with natural resources".

When asked about the ‘balance’, God replied, “Look at the neighbours I gave them”.

India is surrounded by hostile neighbours from all sides. This is a major impediment on the road to progress and prosperity. China is one such problematic neighbour which has been a pain for India.

China wants India to settle the border dispute and has been claiming Arunachal Pradesh for long. China officially claims 90000 sq km of land in Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim.

Recently, on a visit to Itanagar, PM Manmohan Singh said that Arunachal Pradesh is India’s land of rising sun.

China lodged its protest on Manmohan Singh’s assertion over this claim of India. China has always said that Arunachal Pradesh is part of China.

There have been innumerable provocations from the Chinese in recent past. China even denied a visa to IAS officer from Arunachal Pradesh when around 100 IAS officers were going for official visit to China, sometime back.

China had recently objected to Asian Development Bank (ADB) funding an irrigation project in Arunachal Pradesh which is a ‘clear violation’ of the charter of the multilateral lending agency.

In the middle of all these, silence from Indian side has been baffling. Indian officials are numb and prefer sleeping over an issue which has the potential to snowball into a big controversy in the days to come.

We need to react and react strongly to Chinese. We can’t take this lying down and need to give it back to them.

Tibet suffered and continues to suffer by China. We need to protest against Chinese intrusion in Tibet. India must realise that they have some responsibility towards Tibet. India has failed so far to exert any pressure on China.

Today, we have no support or sympathy from the world on the Arunachal issue. And only we are to be blamed for it.

The first thing which India needs to do is to recognise Tibet as an occupied territory, if not for Tibetans then at least for our sake. It would send across the message loud and clear to Chinese that India would negotiate border dispute with an independent Tibet and not China. We should bring Tibet issue to the center stage.

Indian government has not learnt any lesson from Aksai Chin. The time is running out and the silence from New Delhi can cost us Arunachal Pradesh.

Cheating Chinese: Passing off fake drugs as ‘Made in India’ to Africa & Public Opinions !

Rema Nagarajan, TNN

NEW DELHI: Are fake drugs manufactured in China being pushed into various African countries with the `Made in India' tag? The Indian government
has long suspected this to be the case, but it now has definite evidence for the first time.

Last week, the National Agency for Food and Drug Administration and Control (NAFDAC) of Nigeria issued a press release stating that a large consignment of fake anti-malarial generic pharmaceuticals labelled `Made in India' were, in fact, found to have been produced in China.

New Delhi has registered ``strong protest'' with the Chinese mission and China's foreign trade ministry, according to sources in the commerce ministry.

India's High Commissioner in the Nigerian capital of Abuja, Mahesh Sachdev, had earlier written to then commerce secretary GSK Pillai, alerting him to the large seizure: ``While this is a case of a Chinese company exporting fake `Made in India' labelled medicines which has been accidentally exposed, it is unlikely to be an isolated incident. Indeed there is no reason for Nigeria to be the only country to be receiving such consignments.''

His letter went on to say: ``Fake foreign-made generics carrying `Made in India' label can do tremendous harm to our interests. It not only dents our image and takes our legitimate market share, it also erodes the distinction between generic and fake medicines that we have been campaigning for at WHO and WTO''.

Commerce ministry sources said: ``We have had many complaints about such fake drugs from China being offloaded as Indian drugs in countries like Ghana, South Africa, Ivory Coast and West Africa — in general, where India has a substantial market share. But so far there has been no formal complaint. This is the first time that such a large international consignment has been seized and this will be taken up strongly with the Chinese side.''

Sachdev in his letter said that he had spoken to the director-general of NAFDAC Dr Paul Orhii who said that the Nigerian preference for generics made such cases of fake drugs more common. He expressed NAFDAC's determination to curb circulation of substandard fake medicines.

India and China have been held primarily responsible for fake drugs in the Nigerian market in particular and Africa in general. About 60% of drugs in Nigeria are imported. Between 2001 and 2007, more than 30 Indian and Chinese companies were banned in Nigeria for exporting fake drugs to the country.

However, Dr Mira Shiva of the Initiative for Health Equity and Society (IHES) told TOI that both India and China being large manufacturers of generics, multinational firms would look to discredit the two countries and label their drugs as substandard, so that they would have greater access to the African markets. She warned against the two countries trying to run each other down before ascertaining the full facts in the case to rule out any orchestration, but added that India ought to be more careful to ensure the quality of the drugs exported as well as sold domestically.
Vijay Nair,India,says:This is a shocking news. India's credibility is at stake internationally. This act of China can be detrimental to India's growth trajectory. No sovereign nation can take this for granted. Our Govt. must wake up and see the conspiracy being hatched out by China to defame our country and hamper its economic growth. This is serious issue and China must be told in strongest possible language to dissuade from this nefarious activities maligning India and its reputation. If China does not relent, all necessary retaliatory action must be initiated to teach a lesson to this imposters from our neighbourhood.
[9 Jun, 2009 1412hrs IST]

P.G.Rajagopal,Abu Dhabi,says:Playing with the health and safety of people are dangerous games. We now perceive that China is a country that survives on a disguised morality and humanity, but by addiing sweetwords like 'liberation', 'all countrie labor unite', 'a government for the people'to every thing; while allow no freedom, choice or liberty and treat people like cattle stock. Still facking the medicine and giving a kung fu kick to the health and safety safeguards was least expected from the Chinese.The whole world would have now be wondering and stunned how depressed are the communist mentalities, the communists behave like mentally degraded and retarded and communists mortgaged their humanly sanities totally deep into the chinese yellow river. There is no social justice in China, in China also oppressed it the ordinary poor people, the commoners; all benefits only to communist party members. People are not given any choice, just accept what is imposed or get punished. Let these African countries take at most care while dealing with Chinese in order to save their lives.
[9 Jun, 2009 1410hrs IST]

R.Kumar,Norway,says:Hello, I do not understand why India is afraid of China and do not take Chinese inervention in all matters very serious This matter should taken in UNO and in WHO for further investigation.
[9 Jun, 2009 1359hrs IST]

vishnu,Satara,says:Ok Guys leave out patriotism & go in market to Buy Toys, you will see Doll (Made in China) Rs 20 Much Much Much Much....... better than Doll (Made in India) Rs 50. Can some one explain really why??? Please No finger pointing or blaming. This is not a show "cause" Notice. Just a self assessment.
[9 Jun, 2009 1313hrs IST]

shoukat firfiray,NRI,says:I think our hon'ble health minister should launch an inquiry for master mind hehind this act and bring the culprit before justice. I doubt china can dare such act against its peaceful neighbour, without indian big head behind this crime. This should be seriously handled on high level positions to prevent dignity of India throughout globe. I wish our officials will take all necessary measures to control and put proper checks and balance at all border lines.
[9 Jun, 2009 1248hrs IST]

Varsha,Bangalore,says:The race to becoming the number one economy has made China resort to such unethical means. Someone needs to teach the Chinese what "healthy competetion" means. At this rate they'll worsen the health of their own country. This matter can not and should not be taken lightly.
[9 Jun, 2009 1242hrs IST]

MKRao,Hyderabad,says:LET US MAKE OUR MOTTO "DO NOT BUY MADE IN CHINA". Let us like most people around the world dispise chinese products. Let us not bu the products made in china and sold in India even if it a US or European brands.
[9 Jun, 2009 1225hrs IST]

irfankim,Korea,says:TELL OUR INDIAN CPM/CPI. MR KARAT CAN YOU ANSWER PLZZ
[9 Jun, 2009 1213hrs IST]

PK,Singapore,says:Another Chinese ingenuity. India never has the guts to stand upto it.

Amit pandit,Delhi,says:This is what happens when you have fools for leaders and an extremely incompetent systems in place. Perhaps on the IDF, ( the Indian Defence Forces) need to take stock of the situation and bang these Chinese and Pakistani thugs who wish to harm our Nation.
[9 Jun, 2009 1201hrs IST]

vineet,mumbai,says:This thing refers to our imfamous flag operations wherein a country provokes the other country against a third country by committing acts of sabotage using a false names.This is a highly serious matter of discrediting the name of India in the world body.India should launch a strong protest with the communist govt and should demand a sincere apology and strong actions against the culprits.China is trying to hurt the Indian self interest in Africa because such thing cannot be done without the consent of their politburo.May India wake up to its self interest and does not discard it as any other border skirmish
[9 Jun, 2009 1158hrs IST]

Amit Ahluwalia,NCR,says:The Chinese must realize that Two can play this game... Imagine a slew of "Made in China" labeled goods pushed into the market to further reiterate the substandard quality the Chinese are anyways renowned for.. hehehe.
[9 Jun, 2009 1153hrs IST]

Rajeev,Delhi,says:Actually china is worried about india's progress in all fields, thats why they want to spoil the image of India. India should raise this issue at WHO.
[9 Jun, 2009 1150hrs IST]

Raja,Bangalore,says:Whatever the comment are..............our great leaders are not going to take any action against this.. :(
[9 Jun, 2009 1146hrs IST]

Dr. Paras Deo,Germany,says:The Chinese fake everything.....I recently bought, in the catalugue labeled "INDIAN SHIRT". But as the delivery came I noticed a mini label from China. I called up the mail order service who then said that they too had been "conned". The shirt were from China and not kurtas from India. They took back the order and returned my money......This happened in Germany!!!! The Chinese are selling fake drugs and fake textiles and giving India a bad name.
[9 Jun, 2009 1145hrs IST]

qamar,Muscat,says:I am not surprised, as this is being done at the behest of indian traders who are operating in that region and sourcing it from china for the african market........we must check and put controle on all such traders/manufactureres who are having connection with chinese market.........all such players must be penalised heavily for this fraudulant act and be booked.
[9 Jun, 2009 1145hrs IST]

Purnendu Pattnaik,Bhubaneswar,says:And they say they are growing at 11.5 per cent per year. I dont understand how much they can stoop. Anyways thanks to TOI for making this headlines, It should ensure that these news is highlighted throughout the World.Let the whole world know who is playing foul.
[9 Jun, 2009 1142hrs IST]

Kumar,UAE,says:Not only fake drugs but many other populer items are immediately copied and a cheap virson is dumped in the African markets by China. China has long survived on this tectics and every one knows that it will go to eny extend to make money. How can you forget the contaminated baby milk scam in side China itself and Artificial eggs made of PVC by products. Chinese are the most crooked people.
[9 Jun, 2009 1136hrs IST]

J Chacko,Doha,says:Chinese businessmen are known for fakes....whatever they find hot selling including famous brands-pen,tools&hardware,cosmetics,watches,goggles,linen....now medicines ,they will produce in China even marking required country of origin.The goods will be shipped to you ...It is so easy to place orders..All they want is money......Govt of China openly encourages this.... The whole gulf states are flooded with these products

Elayaraja,Kuwait,says:Some of thing need control in our country also,but now china is taking advantage of all our country weakness,Exchanging label,Stop import and export goods for some of country in world.We can save our time and money also.Please Use our Goods and buys own product,Company can give nice material to indian People also. Save our country..Save our Money and Name of the Country
[9 Jun, 2009 1128hrs IST]

Tamil,Singapore,says:Why Indians in India are so paranoid? Evidence! Please! I bet the Indian government dare not address this issue to WHO, because it doesn't have the "solid evidence" as they claimed. Indians in India should grow up, you are too easy agitated by the media. Crying babies, grow up!
[9 Jun, 2009 1126hrs IST]

Deep,nagpur,says:and sickularists and communists never cease to say "Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai"!!! I would love to hear what our communists have to say about this.
[9 Jun, 2009 1123hrs IST]

Venny,US,says:This needs a very strong action from India pulling in international pressure. Its time for couragoes leaders taking action. The intentions are far malecious and should be judged beyond this catch of fake medicine.
[9 Jun, 2009 1121hrs IST]

Thameem,Chennai,says:It's really good news, India should take effective steps in order to curb such malpractices by Chinese. Everyone is telling, Chinese economy is strong, which is not true, i have worked with them closely, first of all they don't do a costing, just they match the offer. In next 50years, let communist falls, there will no Chinese. I am very sure
[9 Jun, 2009 1120hrs IST]

Akash Sabarwal,Bangalore,says:We Should find the reason why these things are happening ,what problem have our neighbours why they are continiously doing these type of things and after that strict actions should be taken,assume that if these drugs would have been made by indians and tagged as MADE IN CHINA ,then what action china would have taken against India.
[9 Jun, 2009 1117hrs IST]

s.venkat,india,says:CHINA CHINESE CANNOT INNOVATE. THEY ARE CHEAP LABOURERS ONLY MANUFACTURING CHEAP THINGS.THIS IS A SIGN OF DESPERATION FROM CHINA. THE WHOLE WORLD TAKE MY PREDICTION. BOTH U.S.A AND ENTANGLED WITH EACH OTHER IN THE FINANCIAL CRISIS.THE BURST OF U.S.A IS THE END OF CHINA. DO NOT HOLD U.S DOLLARS OR THE YUAN OR CHINA STOCKS OR INVEST IN CHINA.IT IS COMING SOON. CHINA CANNOT AFFORD TO TALK LOUD NOW AS THEY KNOW THAT THEIR DEATH BELLS HAVE STARTED O RING AND IT IS GETTING LOUDER AND LOUDER.
[9 Jun, 2009 1114hrs IST]

Pranay Verma,Delhi,says:Clearly China is maligning India. A tactic to create a buzz amongst Nigerians that Indian Goods are shoddy. Be it drugs or any other product. This shall give Chinese goods an extra mile over Indian drugs as they can market it at the same price. It has been well thought of to reap benefits for a long period of time. India has to tackle it subtly and intelligently. Maybe advertise in Nigerian media. One problem with our country is that the decision making authorities cant reach a consensus on these issues. And the primary reason being that Indians think and act regionally. Look at the festivals, holidays, elections. There is hardly anything National that emanates from within. We give importance to local events more than national things. India has to emerge as a nation of people who ought to be respected and considered of a superior race because of their ancestry and having being civilized the country and the planet for long. It needs a change in thinking by Indians. We should think ourselves of as Indians. Otherwise how different shall be from Yugoslavia?
[9 Jun, 2009 1109hrs IST]

Subdude India,Pune,says:Does Indian Govt. understand the seriousness of this issue? It is not only about the reputation but also about India Inc. brand value in the global market. Just imagine what will happen if Indian company does the same thing with China. Strong measures must be immediately taken. However it needs guts and respect towards our own country which we hardly have. This will be highlighted for some time, we will give evidence to China, they will deny or ignore it and so on. This will continue till next scam occurs and we will enjoy the new scam completing forgetting this one.
[9 Jun, 2009 1107hrs IST]

Basheer,Dubai,says:astonishing! India must stringent measure to tackle the issue, how can a country like China produce fake drugs with the tag of another country like India. are we taken for granted? Shame on China,
[9 Jun, 2009 1106hrs IST]

Rahul,LA,says:China is our big enemy than Pakistan. No hindi chini bhai bhai! India govt should protest this in UNO.
[9 Jun, 2009 1102hrs IST]

Jitender Singh Nohwar,Bnagkok, Thailand,says:dear sir....i am living & working in bangkok (thailand ) since year 2000. china is doing intentionaly wrong & giveing false informations in all feild of business or socially against india. recently i have seen one GLOBE which is made in china... in globe shows..JAMMU & KASHIMIR in a another color nad give name " KASHMIR " which shows separate from india !!! i have that GLOBE as a proof.
[9 Jun, 2009 1102hrs IST]

raj,india,says:hmm...look like its a tip of iceberg...here enemy is strong,quick,inteligent most important he is joulous, and he can go up to any level (he will kill ur babies if he didnt get u)
[9 Jun, 2009 1101hrs IST]

Santhi Gp,Bhimavaram,says:In this era of wepons of mass distructions no country however mighty it be will resort to conventional war fae with countries like India. They find India with ever squablling self serving political executive as sitting ducks for this kind of economic warfare where economics and reputations can be hurt beyond repair. It is not just China Pakistan too is known to do these things.With the decisive mandate UPA shall now do some thing befitting the faith peeple put on them.
[9 Jun, 2009 1059hrs IST]

Pranay Verma,Delhi,says:China is maligning India. A tactic to create a buzz amongst the Nigerians that Indian goods are fake. Be it drugs or any thing else. China shall get an extra mile over this. India is too democratic a country to handle such things. There shall never be any concensus by the various parties on these issues. If only Indians were united, shall there be a fear and respect for Indians. Look at Australia - Indians are thrashed and not much is being done to prevent or stop it. The undercurrent has now become open. Indians should think, speak and act as Indians and not as from the state. Hardly anyone cares for the national language or anything national. Everthing works at the regional level. Be it elections, festivals, holidays etc. Only an united India can become a strong world leader. Not a group of regions like Yugosolavia.
[9 Jun, 2009 1052hrs IST]

Suba,Melbourne,says:Using India's name by chinese companies producing and exporting fake goods is not only bringing killing for good India's market share but bringing down India's reputation for good. India should re-act not just by complaining to China but stop importation of chinese goods into India and expose Chinese companies names, products worldwide countries. Only then China will learn.
[9 Jun, 2009 1052hrs IST]

Albert,Kinshasa,says:Many companies are bringing the medicines from china with made in india tag. In Africa in DRC alone many companies are bringging. All the injections are from china with india made tag. The biggest companeis like Zenufa, shalina, Sikina,Unique Etc are bring the medecines with made in india tag. DRC is highly corrupted country and can be managed any thing here. ALL FAKE MEDICINES.Here all Ismailies and shias are just for money.They literally killing african. I just returned from US and shocked to see the FAKE medicies in market. Congolese has to wake up and stop buying mediciens from indian and chines companies. Can indian government make a investigation and stop all these.
[9 Jun, 2009 1043hrs IST]

Vic Krishnan,Hong Kong,says:Best part is, these drugs are ordered by Indian Traders and then distributed in Africa by Indian Traders...besides other items like Godrej Locks and Bajaj Scooters...
[9 Jun, 2009 1042hrs IST]

luv,hyd,says:Every one says china has done tremendous growth..I have a question where is the innovation there?They just copy everything and export that what a shame...
[9 Jun, 2009 1041hrs IST]

Nitin,Chicago,says:What china has done by exporting fake drugs is a unholy act but I want to point out what is the major issue here.. China exporting Fake drugs or Undermining India's Image.. the former should be the main issue but seems like the later is being politcized and being hightlighted ! I am sure it wouldnt have been a headline if there was no Indian connection !
[9 Jun, 2009 1034hrs IST]

PC,Delhi,says:China can never be trusted in any respect. First of all they are Chinese and secondly they are communists which simply means untrustworthy people.
[9 Jun, 2009 1032hrs IST]

RK,india,says:This is not protest time, but some kickin arse time, Cut all trasde deals with these bastards, Indian Leadership should focus purely not on trusting such dirty minded people and more than that the Maoists / Communists in India should bear responsibility.
[9 Jun, 2009 1027hrs IST]

Anup ,Muscat,says:Beware India...China is the Biggest threat to you. We are just simply obsessed with Pakistan. Chinese can go the deepest to undermine India wherever it is excelling.....It's time to say Hindi Chini Bye bye....unless they cry for Bhai bhai...
[9 Jun, 2009 1022hrs IST]

RKChary53,India,says:Pakistan, China, Bangladesh and US - these countries can do anything to destroy India at any cost, whenever they get a chance. We should raise these points to World Health Organisation and UN.
[9 Jun, 2009 1020hrs IST]

Juby Mathews,Muscat,says:This is a proxy war waged by China against India. They are trying to malign the image of India worldwide by issuing counterfeit drugs as made in India. The USFDA and WHO should take a very serious note of this and issue a stern warning to China.
[9 Jun, 2009 1013hrs IST]

Ragesh,USA,says:I think this is media propaganda. The "Chinese" are "attacking" us and they are trying to "destroy" us!!!.. Even the "title" of this article is false. How about is a chinese newspaper reports that "Indians faking their software companies" obviously refering to Satyam Scandal? I think media needs to be more responsible before reporting with such a "title"..
[9 Jun, 2009 1013hrs IST]

rajesh,India,says:Dear all, if you dont stop China now they will make hell of our life. I know many Chinies they are determined to do all wrong things against India. The lazy, corrupt politician will never do and this is not politician responsibilty we as Indian has to raised our voice againest them. What our software engineer are doing they are not able to hack Chinies website this is also responsibility of politician, do not always blame and dependent on politics, since we are so much dependent on politician that is why politician behaving like big dadies, just start igonoring them thy will come on the road.
[9 Jun, 2009 1009hrs IST]

AMit,Pune,says:The present Govt. in India is so weak under the PMship of Singh and it doesnot want to take any concrete steps to tackle any Domestic and Intl. issues. We should have a strong Govt. as well as Leader like Hon. late Indira Gandhi. How could we accept such things like what Pak, China, banladesh and even Nepal has done so far as far as Terrorism, Fake Currency, fake Medicines and Incursions were and areconcerned. We have spoiled our own reputation in the past, so we should take serous and sincere steps and come up as Strong Nation in Asia.
[9 Jun, 2009 1004hrs IST]

prabhu,bangalore,says:These Chinese are criminals and are more dangerous than the Terrorists. India should be careful in dealing with them as they do anything for their growth. India should ban its Toys first, as it contains poisons substance and spoiling the Children of our nation.
[9 Jun, 2009 0946hrs IST]

Godfrey Rasquinha,UAE,says:THis gross act of supplying fake genericx medicines made in China and labelled as Made in India and passed onto countries in the African continent.The Indian Mission must take strong action and report the matter to the WHO and theFDA of USA as well so that they are aware of this scam and arrest the manufacturers.If allowed to go unnoticed Indias reputation could be damaged beyond repair
[9 Jun, 2009 0922hrs IST]

k .madhukar,bangalore,says:Should'nt we now remember our great leader Mr jawarlal Nehru once again,for coining the slogan" Hindi chini bai bai" and himself believing that it was so.
[9 Jun, 2009 0921hrs IST]

Baiju AS,Cherthalla,says:This must have been done with the active connivance of chinese govt.Made in china label evokes a response from a prospective buyer as a product of substandard quality.They want to give the same response to Indian medicines by this nefarious activity.
[9 Jun, 2009 0921hrs IST]

D V Giri,Bangalore,says:This is a very serious Issue. India should strongly take this at WTO with strong evidence.Fake drugs is wrost than Drug Trafekking. India should not allow China to get away with this.
[9 Jun, 2009 0920hrs IST]

Sahadevan,Mumbai,says:Tell this to our communists
[9 Jun, 2009 0918hrs IST]

anil,beijing,china,says:A country which is best known for its cheap and counterfeit products whether it is tainted milk or poisonous toys,what can we expect from that cheap country.but this time they have crossed another milestone by sending fake drugs to Africa.you could have sent ot to USA,but why are u playing with these poor.so,i pray you not to take lives and not to corrode our image.
[9 Jun, 2009 0912hrs IST]

Farhang,UAE,says:Whether it is pharmaceuticals, automobile parts,agricultural products the big multinational companies from the West and Japan do not like new competitors posing a threat to their products and profits. One way is to set up plants in China and label the product as made in India or anywhere else and export. Money is made as well the competitor is bow beaten and his name tarnished. The Babu as is usual is the last person to wake up and realise what is happening
[9 Jun, 2009 0912hrs IST]

NARAYAN NANDWANI,PANAMA,says:CHINA WILL ALWAYS TRY TO UNDERMINE INDIA IN ALL WAYS, WE BHARATWASI ALWAYS TRUST TOO MUCH OUTSIDERS AND FORGIVE VERY SOON BECAUSE OUR SANSKRITI CULTURE HAS TAUGHT SO THEN GET STABED IN THE BACH FROM FOREIGNERS . IT IS TIME TO LEARN AND SAVE HINDUSTAN AND BHARAT JAIHIND
[9 Jun, 2009 0905hrs IST]

SL,bangalore,says:Till India is not taking any strong steps towards countries like pak and china such things will keep on happening. Our great leaders only talk but never act. Its action that should say everything.
[9 Jun, 2009 0903hrs IST]

DN,Bangalore,says:This is a really sick. We have a bunch of idiots for neighbors and a government thats sleeping sound.
[9 Jun, 2009 0859hrs IST]

Dinesh Reddy,US,says:Please for god's sake no more be defensive, be proactive\attack. Please let our enemies think twice to make a move against us. For gods sake grow up!!!!
[9 Jun, 2009 0857hrs IST]

Dipankar,Mumbai,says:This is commercial terrorism. Just like the state policy of Pakistan to sponsor terrorism keep India under pressure, the Chinese try to malign India globally to affect India's growth trajectory.
[9 Jun, 2009 0847hrs IST]

Thiru,B'lore,says:What are doing Babus & Netas??
[9 Jun, 2009 0833hrs IST]

A Dass,Singapore,says:One more Hindi-Chini bhai bhai fallout. Start being tough, instead of behaving like a jackal with your tail between your legs.
[9 Jun, 2009 0821hrs IST]

Jayakrishnan,Kannur,Kerala,says:China is notorious for duplicates, and sub standard products. Recently, there were cases of adultrated milk being exported from China all over the world, which resulted the death of many infants. Its a nation full of cheats and hypocrats. They are very eager to show the world they are the best, and to get this done they would adopt any shrewd ways. The chinese Industrialist lacks ethics and morale, and tarnishing India's image is their hidden agenda. India should be cautious against this malicious campaign of the Chinese.
[9 Jun, 2009 0810hrs IST]

Dr(Prof) Vijay Kumar(Retired),Ratu,Ranchi,Jharkhand,says:Though, China is trying to be economically self dependen & it is trying all the possible wrong means to earn more.We Indians must take a vow not to use any product and article made and manufactured by China.But is is very very difficult -- How ? Now note what I am going to say -- The wireless modem installed at my residence for BROAD BAND by BSNL(India) is made of China. Here lies a BIG _ BIG ?
[9 Jun, 2009 0808hrs IST]

youknowwho,youknowhere,says:China - India's Enemy no 1. What else did you expect, mate?
[9 Jun, 2009 0745hrs IST]

LSR,Chennai,says:All countries has to stop importing any items from China. China is more dangerous than Pakistan. China helped Srilanka for winning aganist Srilankan tamilian (LTTE). North Indians did not understand the real fact of that war. Now not only Srilanka won aganist LTTE, but also China has won aganist India. Our Govt lead by Mrs.Sonia wanted to take revenge aganist LTTE, that really hurted for India. In case LTTE has won and get separate Tamil Elam, they support on ly India and not China/Pakistan.
[9 Jun, 2009 0723hrs IST]

Vikram S,Mumbai,says:China is one of the most secretive and vicious country in the world with all their tactics.
[9 Jun, 2009 0717hrs IST]

Do you care,Does TOI care,says:Ban all Chinese goods in India. All PC's, mobiles phones, laptops, etc are made in China, irrespective of the brand. Tomorrow if India has a confrontation with China, how can we be sure that they have not slipped in some software which they can use to make everything go dead.

Dr Tarashankar Rudra,India,says:China is a Parasite of the Planet. They are not only the epicenter of terrorism, but are also the hub of lies, fake goods and fraud.
[9 Jun, 2009 0709hrs IST]

Indian,Indian,says:Don't blame China. You can find fake drugs in India. Stop whining.
[9 Jun, 2009 0633hrs IST]

Vedanarayanan Andanallur,Oregon, USA,says:In good old days, (probably in 1950s), a joke used to be in circulation around Bombay, about, toys and electronic goods with lable "Made by U.S.A", though made near Bombay, India. The expansion was said as "Made by Ulhasnagar S....Association" !..With malice towards none ! By the Way, we will be glad to hear Mr.Karat to give his Comments. Prior to Elections, he used to be quick in offering comments..right from Atomic Energy onwards...if anything is said related to China.
[9 Jun, 2009 0633hrs IST]

Faisal,canada,says:I believe China is the only nation that can stop the proliferation of axis of EVIL which is: India, Israel and US. Way to go China!
[9 Jun, 2009 0630hrs IST]

Sanjay,Phoenix,USA,says:Yes, I agree with the Indian Government contention, that fake drugs made in China with"Made in India" lable harm the image of India. India should pursue this case with WTO. However a bigger problem which lies within India is fake Made in India drugs, well made within India, which of course is a low priority for the government. Who cares if a few thousand or maybe more Indians die from such fakes. Problem with such a prosecution is that such operations get political cover thus hindering law enforcement from performing their job. Getting the priorities straight any one???
[9 Jun, 2009 0626hrs IST]

Nadeer,Shanghai,says:They do this. I had been to a bumper jack factory in Shanghai, and they told they could print 'made in anywhere' on the jack. In fact they export it to many countries as 'made in Germany'. Only recently Iranian authorities found out some items 'made in Israel' were actually from China.
[9 Jun, 2009 0619hrs IST]

Sunil,sydney,says:This is another means of making war against India! Chinese can never be trusted and are actively supplying Pakistan with weapons and nuclear technology to try and defeat India by all means.
[9 Jun, 2009 0616hrs IST]

KC,NY,says:When India has a rubber stamp PM this kind of anti Indian activities will go on. This government neither has policies nor has power to counter this kind of situation. This UPA government only knows to shelter and feed terrorists due to vote bank politics at the cost of tax payers money.
[9 Jun, 2009 0522hrs IST]

ganapathy,adambakkam,says:We should leave the past BHAI Bhai relationship with china and be more agressive in our Trade Missions in gathering field intelligence and acting on them. We should take it up with WHO without any delay.
[9 Jun, 2009 0517hrs IST]

Gopal,New Zealand,says:China will always remain India's main threat. Pakistan is another proxy for China. The recent Rajapakshe lead surge and defeat of the LTTE in Sri Lanka was possible only with China's (and Pakistan's) generous aid and encouragement. Now China has a 'friend' and a base in Sri Lanka, just 80 miles off the Indian coast! China is encircling India. And with the fake 'Made in India' label is tarnishing India's image in every possible way. Time to have a strong India.
[9 Jun, 2009 0504hrs IST]

PK,US,says:The story is not a surprise to someone like me who has lived in China for 3 long years! If one goes to Guangzhou, hong-kong or shenzhen (the pearl river delta), one could not miss those super containers being loaded at those docks. Curiosity piques when one sees most of the container destined to Dubai, and labelled Made in India. As much as China is to be blamed for those fake goods being sold under the name of Brand India,I would like to mention here that most of this was started by a few greedy Indian merchants (the so-called merchandisers, import-export businessmen). One does not have to dig deep to understand the situation when in China. Everything happens right there in front of everybody including the Chinese government officials!
[9 Jun, 2009 0453hrs IST]

Saratchandran,Australia,says:Nice neighborly act by a more powerful and affluent country!!? It is a pity that a country so powerful and leading in world commerce resort to such dirty tricks! Hope it is not a widespread disorder and the Government in China is not supportive of such miscreants. Indian Industries have to be more vigilant and protect their reputation and reliability.
[9 Jun, 2009 0451hrs IST]

Elliott,Uk,says:Dear TOI editor I hope you publish this comment. It is one thing regarding India as a competitor, but it is another thing to deliberately discredit a great democracy, in fact world's largest democracy, by manufacturing fake, and possibly dangerous,drugs and passing these as 'made in India'!!!! We have long known that China,as our enemy will do harm to India when ever possible, e.g. selling dangerous nuclear weapons to Pakistan. By the way, the money which the Pakistanis paid China came from the begging basket filled by the US ostensibly to help Pakistan to destroy the terrorists(terrorists they created in the first place). In all the countries to which Indian companies export drugs a very important memorandum must be sent to warn them of this disgusting and disreputable practice by the Chinese companies and also they must be requested to send as much relevant information to India as possible. Protesting to China will bear no fruit (they will simply send a denial). India MUST give this episode maximum possible publicity through the world press so that all countries importing drugs from India are alerted to this crime designed to destroy India's image and business. How low can China stoop, as bad as the other neighbour Pakistan with their design to destroy the Taj hotel in Nov 2008.Birds are of the same feather!!!! I wish we could choose our own neighbours.
[9 Jun, 2009 0439hrs IST]

bala srinivasan,saginaw.mich.usa.,says:THE ONE COUNTRY INDIA MUST WATCH LIKE A HAWK MILITARY,MONETARY,MANUFACTURING AND MIND GAME IS NONE OTHER THAN-CHINA.ITS CUNNING,SHREWD,CALCULATING MOVES SHOULD BE ACTIVELY MONITORED TO BE NEUTRALISED,IF NOT WE WILL BE.INDIAN GULLABILITY AND NAIVETTE PLAYS INTO CHINESE MAJANG GAME OF INDIAN CONTAINMENT MUST BE REPELLED.FOR GODS&COUNTRY'S SAKE INDIAN EXTERNAL MINISTRY NEEDS VIGILANT LOOK OUT FOR CHINESE HANKY PANKY AND NIP IT IN ITS BUD.
[9 Jun, 2009 0439hrs IST]

Abhijit,India,says:Shame on China!
[9 Jun, 2009 0438hrs IST]

P.S.Panwar,Raj,says:Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai!
[9 Jun, 2009 0434hrs IST]

JOMON,IRELAND,says:USE SATALITE TRAKING SYSTEM FOR ALL INDIAN MADE PRODUCT
[9 Jun, 2009 0427hrs IST]

babubhai ,USA,says:and add one more to your list......here in the US, there is a TIGER balm sold ,almost identical package,nothing but a lotion!!! and made in china !!!!
[9 Jun, 2009 0312hrs IST]

M P,USA,says:Chinese Prime Minister must be preparing to give an award to these fake drugs and mis labeling companies and will most likely reward them for doing such damage to India.
[9 Jun, 2009 0311hrs IST]

Bob,LA,says:Nigerians should have got surprised as everything fake in this world is 'Chinese'.
[9 Jun, 2009 0245hrs IST]

Latika Jane,Kuwait,says:China is a big threat not only to India but also to the International community. There is no other country in the world, I think which does not respect human rights as China. They are producing a lot of low quality products and exporting to other countries.Several had been exposed like the dangerous toys, harmful and toxic fruits, recent Milk powder containing melamine,pirated CD ... and many more. It is very important for all countries to give wide publicity to the dangers of using cheap Chinese products. The dangerous UV radiation hazard from cheap Chinese made fluorescent lamps is another important problem probably not well studied.Now this scandal of manufacturing low quality dangerous drugs and labeling it as made in India is harmful to Indian economy and dangerous in a much higher gravity for the International community. I sincerely hope the Indian government will take necessary steps to prevent this. Hope the media will give adequate importance to this so that the whole world will understand this danger which is as dangerous as terrorism.
[9 Jun, 2009 0240hrs IST]

Vikram,Bangalore,says:the govt of India only registers protest,does nothing...How many fake toys with lead would be in the country,melamine containing products...no one bothers...is anyone looking at it.Indians officials are interested in image makeover and nothing else...thanks MANMOHAN JIII,you are an example.
[9 Jun, 2009 0230hrs IST]

Subbu,Nigeria,says:There you go again, the CUNNING Chinese FOX is out on the run against India. One of the two damned neighbors whose wrath we have to bear and live with (considering that we breed gutless politicians). Our motto should be, Under no circumstance should we trust the motives of China and Pakistan."
[9 Jun, 2009 0228hrs IST]

DB,India,says:China Traders should be banned for doing such malicious act and trying to tarnish India image. WHO should come forward to take appropirate actions. Melamine has recently been in the news for being found in food products coming from China. Think "Is it safe to import from China"?
[9 Jun, 2009 0219hrs IST]