Indian politicians have no sense of humor at all. All they know is dirty politics all the time. Shashi had commented about Cattle class in Indian Railways instead of Economy class. All idiots are making big hue and cry & asking him to resign. These morons should know that Shashi has told the reality in a lighter tone. But Indian politicians neither want to admit reality ( otherwise they will have to improve the system ) nor do they have any brains to enjoy intelligent comments. Shashi Tharoor is an intellectual of the highest order and a book writer of the international fame & is now stuck with crafty people of lowest IQ on the planet namely cheat & hypocrite Indian politicians.
Dr. Rajesh K. Bhatia
In Tamil Nadu there is a proverb: "Yaanai Kozhuththaal Thanae Mannai Thootri Kollum" meaning that haughty elephant showers mud on itself. Tharoor was a pround indian when he exhibited his Indianness in the United Nations, but at home he spoilt himself by making such unwanted comments. Apparently or truly it may be a joke, but it will have its cost on himself. A good lesson for others to be restraint while making comments.
By T K Chandrasekaran, Vellore
9/19/2009 8:28:00 PM
I do not hesitate to consider myself , a Indian commoner belonging to the 'cattle class'. Yes I am so, vis-a-vis the hoards of Holy Cows around me. chakraborty@gmail.com
By ARUN CHAKRABORTY
9/19/2009 7:36:00 PM
I think Mr Tharoor done a wonderful job. Have you ever observed? that hypocrite politicians(not PM) are making big issue out of it Not the cattle class citizen. In the name of austerity drive which is a big fuss, politician wants to further mileage from this issue. Mr Tharoor should be given the ministry of entertainment. Good Show Tharoor, we cattle class put our solidarity with member of HC(Holy Cows)
By Swarup
9/19/2009 7:22:00 PM
Mr.Tharoor was telling about the class which is supposed to be economy class. He has not mentioned any thing wrong about the passengers who used to travel in that class. I also tavelled in Malaysia Air lines,Singapore Arlines, Air India, Lufthahansa. In all these air lines the economy class was not up to the standard. Seats are narrow and un comfortable Even we cannot keep legs freely and sleep comfortably. Even seats are not in good condition. But we have to travel to reach our destination so we dont comlain. Our politiciians are not accustom to lower classes. they fly only in business classes and in Royal suits because they dont pay the fare from their own pockets.
By C.Swaminathan
9/19/2009 7:20:00 PM
If Mr tharoor can refer economy class of airlines as cattle class then but he will say about persons traveling in second class railways and in buses.He even tried to insult our holy cow whom we called MOTHER.
By Deepak Marya
9/19/2009 7:08:00 PM
PERSON OF SUCH A GREAT INTELLECT SHOULD NOT GV SUCH TYPE OF STATEMENT BT HE DESERVE TO BE FORGIVEN FOR A HIS FIRST MISTAKE, WITH THIS KIND GESTURE OF OURS- PROBABLY HIS VIEWS ABT INDIANS CHANGE. MOREOVER NOONE CAN DOUBT ON HIS INTELLECTUAL CAPABILITIES , THT CN BE FRUITFULL TO INDIA IN THE COMING ERA WHEN INDIA IS ON THE WAY TO BECOME SUPER-POWER
By lln
9/19/2009 6:55:00 PM
I support our Minister Shashi Taroor. Taroors standard in English language is little higher than our politicians. It will take time for our politicians to under stand the meaning of certain usages in Taroor's books. Before criticising some one,I request our politicians to find the meaning of these usages. Its all available in www.google.com or any other search engines. Most surprising thing is that even media gave a big coverage for this issue. Shame on the media and holy cow politicians. If this is the case what u will understand when u politicians go for some international meetings or bilateral talks? Do you people expect Obama to speek in desi butler english? Many of our Ministers ioncluding P Chidambaram and PM are educated in US/UK. Cant you put an end to this issue or you want toplay safe dirty politics? Shame on you... Lage raho Taroor ji...
By Kristen Raj
9/19/2009 6:54:00 PM
LATEST NEWS - BUZZING IN DELHI CIRCLES - the whole hullabullo around Tharoors remarks is not for what he calls us the people as cattle class (which we are told so in public forums by congress), but for what he calls the congress high command (madam and yuvraj) as "HOLY COWS". this is seen as a mark of ridiculing thier austerity drama. ALL readers lets appreciate Tharoor for calling a spade a spade
By james
9/19/2009 6:44:00 PM
This is why western people are calling us "IDOTS". What is there is Taroor's comment. To understand the meaning of Taroor's statement you need to be educated and "English literate".(Not the butler english which our politicians speek). The current issue shows hoe good our politicians are in English. Ipeel pitty for all "Indians" who raised voice against Taroor. Either Taroor should come down to the standred of our desi politicians or our politicians should go up to the standard of Taroor; which i dont expect in the near future.
By Abhilash Raj
9/19/2009 6:42:00 PM
I completely support Tharoor and decry "reality austure show" by congress. Because when the Political class day by day gets wilder as like long horned wild bisons, it travelling in the Economy (cattle) class would much be a nightmare for the cattle (common man)only. Probably the cattle might even be ready to shed extra tax to facilite separate journeys of the wild bisons for that will ensure their convienience. I would wish to inform the congress that if thier establishment is "austere under the table" much better for the nation that too during recession.
By neelabh mishra
9/19/2009 6:37:00 PM
Congress is for the likes of Manish Tiwari and others who only prosper by serving the 'holy cow' and the 'holy calf'- there will be no place for people like Tharoor in Indian politics..........
By ruku
9/19/2009 6:28:00 PM
Tharoor is wrong. The Cattle class is treated much than the people who travel by Economy class airlines, Second class trains or by buses in delhi.
By OneIndian
9/19/2009 6:27:00 PM
The debate that is going on about Shashi Taroor's Twitter comments is nothing but 'much ado about nothing'. Mr Tharoor is not a conventional politician and therefore lacks the hypocracy and double standards of the profession. He is basically a writer, who can view the world around him with subtle and hilarious humour. Those who doubt about his knowledge and understanding of Indian history and culture should better read his books such as 'The Great Indian Novel' and 'India, from Midnight to the Millenium', which can vouch not only for his deep understanding of the history and cultural richness of the country but also the underlying humour with which he views the foibles and failures of Indians. What he said about 'cattle class' and 'holy cows' should only be taken in that sense. Now the Prime Minister himself has put the whole controversy in its correct perspective when he said that we should take it as a joke of a humourous writer.. And the debate should end at that. K V Ravindran
By K V Ravindran
9/19/2009 5:16:00 PM
Our Honourable Minister Mr. Shashi Tharoor has shown the correct pricture that how economy class people is dealt by airline peoples. He spoken the truth and truth is always sour. History is evident who spoke truth has been sacrificed. No one has the right to Ask Our Honourable Minister Mr. Shashi Tharoor to resign. Before this almost all Ministers has enjoyed the Business Class Travel. At that time no one has raised the austerity issue. Now the ministers those who are not in limelight are taking the advantage of this issue. Requesting please spare Our Honourable Minister Mr. Shashi Tharoor
By rajeev
9/19/2009 4:56:00 PM
If the Congress party gave any cheer to our Prime Minister for his comments on " pervasive corruption", then I have certainly not seen or read it. The PMO and The President Of India appear to be too timid to take appropriate action on all the evidence I have given them. Welcome to: Yet another “conspiracy in corruption” Psychotic PMO Bareknuckles “The Economist” “When The Going Gets Tough, The PMO’s Media Advisers Go Nuts” “James Astill’s Dazed Denial” Andhra Pradesh High Court’s Pernicious Rebellion Against The Law .05/29/09 RTI Act 2005 Abuse In Andhra Pradesh- SIC Cheats! Chief Secretary Lies!05/07/09 Prejudiced CIC Laps Up PMO Lies 05/05/09 Divakar S Natarajan and Varun Gandhi Cannot Both Be Wrong ! 01/28/09 And India’s editorial class will not report the story! sathyagraha.blogspot.com Divakar’s Sathyagraha News and views from Divakar S Natarajan’s, “no excuses”, ultra peaceful, non partisan, individual sathyagraha against corruption and for the
By divakarssathya
9/19/2009 4:37:00 PM
Having lived and traveled in foreign countries, Tharoor is used to creature comforts and has cultivated unknowingly a systemic superiority to his own people. He forgot he wears the Indian genes. He is already tasting the privileges of a cabinet post. He may talk Gandhi but does not live Gandhi. Here is what Gandhi says; Tharoor, take notes. If you feel superior to people you are supposed to serve, you should quit and go back to London or New York Gandhi's seven social sins: Politics without principles Wealth without work Pleasure without conscience Knowledge without character Commerce without morality Science without humanity Worship without sacrifice
By sundaram
9/19/2009 4:36:00 PM
It is sad that Congress party is after Tharoor for such a trivial thing; I believe congress party spokes men / spokes women are making the austerity a joke by being unruly and trying to blow this out of proportion. And Mr. Gehlot also had his share of tongue slips in media; when he commented about pub culture, he should explain why he did not resign before demanding resignation from Tharoor.
By Raj...
9/19/2009 4:34:00 PM
Puki mak Maruthi. How do you dismiss a person and then ask him to resign ? Have some cow sense mandan.
By vivek
9/19/2009 4:24:00 PM
Why don't our politicians devote more time to matters of the state instead of finding faults in innocent little remarks? Remember, this is the same Shashi Tharoor (or is there a duplicate?) whom India, under the same NDA regime led by the same Congress party, so proudly nominated as the next Secretary General of the United Nations! Are we to believe that a small innocent remark, said jokingly, can reduce the stature of such an eminent son of India so drastically as to go after his head? It is only the stature of our 'respected' politicians like Mr Ashok Gehlot that takes a beating. What are his credentials? Is he in a position to spar with Shashi T in English language on any topic of interest? Why don't they debate on the "cattle class" issue itself/
By Vijay Bagaria
9/19/2009 4:17:00 PM
To be a politician, is to be a philosopher; to have an intellectual approach to sort things. Cow is social symbol for satwic principles. Classification or categorization of humans this age is unacceptable. Derogating a cow only unveils the derogation of intellectual capacity of this guy. It seemed he was atleast fit as an executive taking orders; while at UN. But, the truth is different; even then he definitely isnt competent to be our minister. He should be dismissed than asked to resign. He is a failed candidate at UN, deserved no berth here. There is more than enough better talent in this country to manage our external affai
By Maruthi
9/19/2009 4:15:00 PM
What experience is everybody talking...during his tenure India has successfully retained the title of a powerless bargainer for a Security Council Permanent seat...
By Anil Kumawat
9/19/2009 4:09:00 PM
This was expected. In India, the politicians do not have any other job then to make hypes over bullshit issues. Not even an idiot would think of scraping a brilliant person like Tharoor out of politics, but Ashok Gehlot has done it! I can only say that the society is full of hypocrites who don't want to face the facts or do any thing good but to complaint over such things.
By Gagan
9/19/2009 4:04:00 PM
Kudos to Shashi Tharoor for classifying himself in cattle class, does he mean a cow or a bull? He is a wild bull in the crockery shop of congress party. Now what class I would be in (according to Shashi Tharoor) when I travel in second class of Indian Railways? The answer from S. T. would be insect or worms class. He has stayed for 90 to 100 days in a five star hotel. The cost per day is anywhere between Rs. 5000 to Rs. 100000 per day which will come to Rs. 5 lakhs to Rs.90 lakhs. What is the source of this money? Dear Shashi Tharoor you could have donated this money to run a primary school or a hospital or providing drinking water in your own 'GODS OWN COUNTRY' also known as Kerala.
By Shashwal
9/19/2009 3:59:00 PM
PLEASE!!!!!!!! Our country needs so many of Shasi Tharoor, Jairam Ramesh, Chidambaram, & Man Mohans if you want this country go to the next level. If you waste them over matters like these, we are making a historical blunder which 110 crore will regret in the near future..
By Optimist
9/19/2009 3:57:00 PM
Tharoor, Become my writiing partner. WE WILL WRITE A NASTY, DISGUSTING BOOK , an Expose, ON HOLY COWS AND THE HYPOCRISY OF HINDUS WHO ENJOY T-BONE STEAK IN THE US, STARTING WITH AMITABH BACHAN AND HIS GANG.
By Rasputin
9/19/2009 3:44:00 PM
Shashi Tharoor is a politician of this age, the new generation. If you are going to punish a politician of such a high profile and experience in foreign affairs, over a silly remark, My dear CONGRESS Oldies you are taking our nation into deepest Abyss drive. Please awake and use your valuable time for improvement and not waste your energy over post moterm of a nothing issue.
By Mohan Ram
9/19/2009 3:43:00 PM
Great . Now even kula baruas will sniff at paratha sarathy as lowly paid cattle drivers. It shows cerebral diarrhoea is as prevalent as cow droppings among the green monsters.
By vivek
9/19/2009 3:43:00 PM
Shashi Tharoor is one of india's most intelligent politician with vast knowledge of foreign affiars. I dont mind his comments even if he said so. We need educated people like him to run this country not people like ashok gehlot who ruled rajasthan more than decade and havent done a shit for the state. He even posted a apology over his profile and told that he is being misunderstood by people regarding the comment. It would be a very fatefull and very bad decision if congress party lowered his ranks due to such a small comment. Manmohan singh down played the whole controversy by calling it joke. He really defended his comrade.
By Manmeet Singh
9/19/2009 3:27:00 PM
Let Tharoor go, let him go out of MEA, as such that ministry has no guts and it's just about delivering stupid statements, with nothing really done. After all it's headed by a super corrupt man in white clothes. I'm sure Sashi Tharoor is not going to sit idle or sit down and chew his nails, nor is he going to have nightmares. He's going to get down to Trivandrum and set some things right! That place needs an overhaul.. Sashi T , if you are not asked to leave, could you just leave and get down to business in Trivandrum. we are all 'eyes'
By Peter
9/19/2009 3:21:00 PM
Indian politicians implicitly behave with their valued voter after like holy cows before any election and a cattle class after election enjoying the power and pelf of office. You can never name an exception. All our men who served the UN-Organisations, Arun Shourie, Manmohan Singh, Monteksingh Ahluwalia ane Shashi Tharoor are men who have been recognised for their contribution to the world through the world body. If we do not understand and treat them like cattle class while our vily politicians who would vye to go for a foreign jaunt at the throw of the hat once they assume power from the holy cows(our brethern) it is sad. Every one is jealous of Shasi while he should have known the pulse of the political and third-rated journo class who we can equate the political debauches (not all but most) he should have restrained. And when he has apologized publicly that should have stopped. Austerity Drive! emmh do we need two separate bunglow for a windowed mother and son to stay while they ar
By Mallikarjun
9/19/2009 3:18:00 PM
"Cattle Class" is not the real issue here...Instead, it is Tharoor's rapid rise in ranks to prominence from near political obscurity that has irked others.
By Anil Saraswathy
9/19/2009 3:16:00 PM
The real holy cows in politics are jayanti natrajan the. tamilian so called brahmin, minish tiwari the bhayya, ashok gehlot the bloody marwari backward and of course all from bjp,ss,mns ,rss, vhp and bd, all these required to be slaughtered. These bakward politicians are now after the blood of our reputed ex diplomat- UN , writer and a prolofic tweeter.
By INDIAN
9/19/2009 1:09:00 PM
Vienna,19-09-2009 Every Indian should know that a ministers job is not reading 365 "amara chitra katha" stories a year and tweeting on website.It is one thing to be highly paid under peon at the United Nations and yet another to be the Minister of State in the Ministry of External Affairs of a billion plus population democracy like India.It is a 24 hours 365 days job. I wish New Indian Express readers understand the basics first. Kulamarva Balakrishna
By Kulamarva Balakrishna
9/19/2009 1:01:00 PM
In India cows are no more holy (at least for the so called holy cows), but there are a pack of holy cows who are to be revered else one will be relegated to cattle class how much famous and learned he may be.
By KSV SUBRAMANIAN
9/19/2009 11:56:00 AM
In Indian politics, one has to wear white attire, no matter how much dirty he is within.
By Pramod
9/19/2009 10:40:00 AM
Wait until all the cows come home
By vivek
9/19/2009 10:27:00 AM
HOLY COW ! This is unbeleivable. Only reserved for the enigma called Bharat. It used to happen in the dark old ages of Europe when the King the doesn,t like your face you will be put on the stockade. So now the knives are revealed from the holy comrades. How dare you Shashi who came like a bolt from nowhere and hug the limelight when we had invested a lifetime with the party and prevent us to from putting our fingers into the cookie jar. So what if you are smart. We want only docile domesticated cattle to follow the herd. We don't want anyone outshining us. That is reserved for the cow belt zone. Some call it BIMARU. Furthermore you have already made your money . Or else how could you afford to pay for your maintenance and only have designer grass. While we have been ploughing our land for ages. Ask Lallu , he will give you an insight. To milk the nation is no ordinary task. After all you don't belong to the sacred cow inner circle for us to ignore. You will have to wait u
By vivek
9/19/2009 10:25:00 AM
Well, many "oldies" in Congress are worried about the attention Shashi Tharoor is getting. He is a very down to earth person and very well qualified to hold a very high position in Indian politics. So the "netas" want to eliminate any competition! That's all! Dirty politics! Shashi Tharoor should form his own party. And chuck out the BJP and Congress out of India.
By Burman
9/19/2009 10:13:00 AM
There is a joke in Malayalam that you should raise your hand after delivering a joke to people who are not expected to get it. I think Tharoor should have done the same in twitter for us Indians in general and politicians in particular.
By Shailage
9/19/2009 9:26:00 AM
Congress sources said "Tharoor would no more be in the elite class of the Cabinet - he would in due course become an aam admi - thus returning to the cattle class." Look woho is saying what now? Elitism, cattle class both divisions duly endorsed and repeated by the so called self righteous and purist Congress sources as official party ideology. Tiwari confirms "aam admi" indeed is "cattle class."
By john jacobs
9/19/2009 9:17:00 AM
A humour or joke even not digested by the educated backward moron indians, whether politicians or no politicians. No body is slaughtering your holy cows , and if it is there for some special purpose, not for eating.
By indian
9/19/2009 9:10:00 AM
The twit on 'cattle class' is okay as all of us 'economy class Indians' have no other way out honorably to fly otherwise. The slanted reference on 'holy cows' is a slur not only on Tharoor's peer leadership but also on persons' some of us respect for some of the time or maybe most. Anyway we all worship cows out of reverence to our mothers and for the mere 'cattle' fact that the composition of the gene pool of the cow is more important to some of us 'rural' folks than its value as slaughtered 'hanging meat'!
By Raghavendra Bhat
9/19/2009 8:50:00 AM
One more example of Honesty is not best policy.Crucifying one for speaking truth . Waiting to throw out. Was he wrong in his observation. Our railway or air lines definitely are far from clean . The baggage are bitten by rats. You can see cockroaches in the night. Waiting room toilets are worse than pigstye. Unfotunate. Even if he had expressed in lighter vein the fact remains.
By Achalam
9/19/2009 8:48:00 AM
Thursday, September 17, 2009
Incursion indicates China's unease over India's rise: US Experts & Also Publicś Opinion On Public Platform
A US think-tank has said that China’s recent aggression on Indian border is direct result of Beijing’s "nervousness over India's rise."
"Well, I think China is becoming increasingly nervous about India's rise. It's something that they have to deal with that perhaps 10-15 years ago they didn't believe was something that was necessary to focus on," said Lisa Curtis of the Heritage Foundation.
We saw this when they to tried scuttle at the last minute, the civil nuclear deal at the Nuclear Supplier Group meeting last year and so that was sort of an indication that China is not completely comfortable with India's rise on the world stage," said Curtis.
Recently, two soldiers of the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) were reportedly injured in firing from across the border on the Line of Actual Control in Arunachal Pradesh.
India, however, denied that two of its border guards were injured in firing by Chinese forces.
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Curtis said both the sides were mutually mistrustful of each other on the border issue.
"The border issue has lingered for a long time and I think both sides created mistrust on both sides. Perhaps since China is dealing with its internal issue, it has not been interested in completely resolving the border issue but that said. I do not think so either side is interested in any kind of conflict. But I do not see the negotiation moving forward either," Curtis added.
India and China fought a short war in 1962 and, despite burgeoning trade in recent years, mistrust remains.
The two countries have faced off at multi-lateral forums, including Chinese objections to a 60 million dollar Asian Development Bank loan for a project in Arunachal Pradesh.
Reports of Chinese "incursions" have become more frequent of late.
Army launches annual maintenance of forward posts
The Indian Army has launched a massive effort at strengthening forward posts along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China, which they described as "routine."
The effort, aimed at operational alertness and kick-started this week, comes at this time annually just before the weather gets worse during winters.
"Nothing much should be attached to this effort, which is carried out annually for maintenance of the forward posts before the weather makes it impossible. This is a matter of routine," Army sources said.
The effort will go on for a month and for the purpose, the Army has employed about half of its strength posted along the 4,057-km-long LAC in Jammu and Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand, Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh in active duty, they said.
This maintenance effort comes at a time when there have been reports of incursions by Chinese troops in Chumar region of Ladakh in Jammu and Kashmir where they brought in a military helicopter to air-drop food cans and painted Mandarin letters on some of the stones to lay claim to the territory.
These incursions, the Army had said, were "nothing unusual" due to differing perceptions of LAC on both sides.
Other media reports of Chinese fighter jets violating Indian airspace and firing at ITBP jawans in Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh in the last three months have been denied by the government.
The Famous Himalayan Blunder-Brig.John DalvyBy: Amit Bhartari | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 17:26:57 PM Reply | Forward This book has been banned by Congress Govt.Read this book to know what happened in 1962 , the foolish acts of Pt.Nehru. You will know that we are at the same stage once again and repeating same mistakes
Chinas uneasiness.By: Varghese Joseph | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 17:00:13 PM Reply | Forward Whether theres a mistrust or not, Iam sad the Indian side is not replying to any sort of border incursions with the Chinese. I prefer to see a determined and solid counter reaction from India to China, which keeps the entire Indian nation joy. To be honest, in any case of eventuality like a Chinese attack into India, Iam sure that whole Indian people would be there with Indian Army, the defence forces. Is there any doubt on that? But the basic things, to prove to the people, that India Govt. looks and is caring for its people, that is not yet conveyed to the people of India. Just protest with media, is not the answer at all. When do we think we cn change our policies?
Indiia can match China in all aspect..By: gus | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 16:02:57 PM Reply | Forward China grew at the expense of USA,E.U. and N.A.It's growth and its prosperity will soon fizzle out,have doubts check the economic facts.India model is a better model and by 2035 India will be at par with China,let no demagogue fool you.The doctrine of MAD will ensure that China will chicken out,whenit comes to fully fledged conflict.India has nothing to fear and focus on economic growth,as the dynamics are in India's favour and has beeter potential than China, longterm.
Broader VisionBy: Gautam | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 15:40:48 PM Reply | Forward Needless to say that the current Global Economic Condition does not give confidence that it is ready to sustain a war!It is time that both the countries see through the planning of some rival economies which do not want Asia to rise economically, socially
Everybody equally responsibleBy: Tauseef malik | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 15:19:25 PM Reply | Forward We must not forget the political turmoil that our politicians have landed us in.They mean their status even at the cost of entire country . They have always supported communalism , corruption and other related crimes . They think of themselves but never about country . we as citizens are equally responsible for degrading the vitality of the country . we vote the most incompetent candidates not becoz by mistake but out of prejudices entrenched within us against other communities . It is high time that we realise our responsibilities as good citizens and help in prospering our country . And it is only then that we can challenge any confrontation with valour .
India will continue to riseBy: vijay | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 15:19:15 PM Reply | Forward INDIA deserves to be a developed nation, unlike other countries we have been very good in all aspects . so hope abdul kalam's dream of seeing India as a developed nation in 2020 is coming true, and i pray to god that all Indians should work for this and need to destroy the religion barrier among us. weather its Hindu , Muslim or Cristian , we need to forward unitedly , let all religion peoples in India live in peace. jai hind
mrBy: joshi | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 15:16:32 PM Reply | Forward china is not a danger to India, it is the pakistan.though pak was defeeted by India all the time, but beeing shameless she will try again and again to attack India.India need to be carefull from pak.
China By: Dinesh | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 15:06:10 PM Reply | Forward I believe there is enough for both Asian giants to enjoy the economic growth and become global giants. Actually Asia stands on these two pillars and they can make sure the Global strengths move from West to East as they account for 40% on Global Population - the biggest markets.China and India should understand - harming each other is like playing into the trap by the WEST which believes in divide and rule.West will continue trying-China or India has a faith like Soviet / Russia and reduce them to vegetable nation. There are bound to be rogue elements in each country - but those are internal issues and such Rogue elements rise and fall - history has shown - we should not give tomuch importance to such rogue elements.So its for China
globalizationBy: nazar | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:55:13 PM Reply | Forward india and chinas economic success secret is globalization- chinas success is not a new thing- they invented Paper, and lot of contribution they already given-on reducing poverty china is far better than india- i don,t think chinas success is single party system or birth control- with out this United states , india won economic progress-
Need DiplomacyBy: Sanjay Chauhan | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:36:25 PM Reply | Forward War can be win from Guns,But Its Play from Mind
Diplomacy By: Sanjay Chauhan | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:34:47 PM Reply | Forward War can be win from Guns,But Its Play from Mind
China's stargic game planBy: Amit | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:22:32 PM Reply | Forward China want to create hevok in world which can divert focus from India- pakistan ties. and it can work as an alibi for pakistan to work on their stragic innfeltration and development of there terror network.
China's stargic game planBy: Amit | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:22:16 PM Reply | Forward China want to create hevok in world which can divert focus from India- pakistan ties. and it can work as an alibi for pakistan to work on their stragic innfeltration and development of there terror network.
THE BIGGEST THREAT INDIAIS FACING IS NOT PAKIS. BUT CHINA AND AMERICANSBy: n.r.i. | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:11:49 PM Reply | Forward THE BIGGEST THREAT INDIA IS FACING TO-DAY IS FROM AMERICANS AND CHINA WHO ARE CO-SPONSERS TO CARRY OUT PROXY WAR .THE TWO BGGEST LAIRS IN THIS WORLD ARE AMERICANS AND F@@KING PAKIS.INDIA HAS PICKED THE WRONG ALLY AND PUT ALL EGGS IN ONE BASKET . THE MOST TRUSTED AND TRIED ALLY RUSSIA IS FORGOTTEN ON THE ORDERS OF HIGH COMMAND WHO HAPPENS TO BE WAITRESS FROM ITALY , WEST . WAKE UP INDIA .
Chinese IncursionBy: KUMAR | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:06:46 PM Reply | Forward The Media says incursion but the government says no such thig has happened but why the a top level meeting of N.S.A has been called for in New Delhi today???????
This article is absurdBy: Raj Thackrey | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:56:18 PM Reply | Forward This article is completely absurd. First of all india can never in its wildest dreams can match the capabilities of china in its current form. Just taken the conventional warfare china can overwhelm india in a matter of days, check the history if you do not agree with me. Its better for india to stop this hysteria against china and manage its own infrastructure. The chinese are hard working and china is atleast twenty years ahead of india in development, the only thing they lack is the language but by 2020 china will be the country with maximum number of english speakers, check the statistics if you do not agree with me. By then india will not exist in its current form or break into pieces.
Anti indians votes for congBy: suchithra | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 16:52:39 PM Reply | Forward If an Anti Indian like you kep voting cong,the above said by you will surely happen.
Never trust the Chinese.By: Venkat | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:45:24 PM Reply | Forward One thing should be clear to our Mandarins in New Delhi. Never trust the Chinese or the Pakistanis and we should make it a state policy to initiate steps to undermine their authority wherever possible-Both within india and in their own countries. At the end of the day we may trust the Americans, the Russians and the French but not the Chinese. Let us not forget the way they tried to scuttle the Nuclear Agreement, their influence in India through the Communist Party of India, their massive support to the Naxalite groups in India, the support they have given to Pakistan and the war in '62. Our government should do its best to develop the North East to counter Chinese influence or risk losing the entire area to the 'Red Terror'.
True IndianBy: VSM | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:16:51 PM Reply | Forward China has encircled India by stategically helping our neighbouring countries against Indian Interests,Pakistan, Bangladesh,Mynamar,Sri Lanka, Nepal.It is taking Indian land in Inches as very slow pace coparable to peak evening Traffic speed of Delhi.China has made made startegic friends in Middle East like Saudi Arabia, UAE. In African continent it secured energy supplying deals with poor countries. India's Political class (both Ruling Party and Opposition Parties)is most selfish and has ensured that India remains isolated on the World map. USA is most untrustworthy country as a friend to any country. There history provess they USE and ABUSE nations. India has poor relations with Russia. India has no small or big nation as a true friend of any influence or capacity. China will attack India Militarily and we will suffer the defeat of 1962. We are condemend a life of shame subjected by our Politiciens. Armed Forces
Indian Army is superior than ChineseBy: Boby Mehta | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:13:12 PM Reply | Forward The fact is that a army with three million troops is useless against a small, mobile and well trained and dedicated army. Take the case of Israel, only 300,000 Israeli troops decimated the combined forces of Arabs in 1967 and has never lost a war. It is no use shaking in the boots, the combined strenght of Indian army (only army) is nealy 1.7 millions plus other para military forces. Indians are far more better trained and equipment of India is superior than Chinese. India can give a fitting reply to Chinese, it has not been made public but in 1967 (?) Indian army cut Chinese to their size at Nathu La. The only trouble is Indian political gutlessness and cowardice.
israelBy: indian | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:35:28 PM Reply | Forward Israel defeated Arabs with the help of American weapons
Why Pakistan Lost des[ite American Paton Tanks and Sabre Jets?By: Anil Gupta | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 17:45:27 PM Reply | Forward Sir, Wars are won not by weapons alone but by the men behind the weapons. Despite American Paton Tanks Sabre Jets India defeated Pakistan in 1965
GUJJUS BUILD BRIDGES WITH THE CHINESE.By: HARISH | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:12:37 PM Reply | Forward TO MY FELLOW GUJJUS,FOR FAR TOO LONG WE HAVE HAD TO PAINFULLY AND SILENTLY ENDURE THE INCESSESANT DEMONISATION AND ABUSIVE VILLIFICATION OF OUR STATE AND HER PEOPLE BY THESE SLUMDOG INDIANS AND WE KNOW THE TRUE TREACHEROUS NATURE OF THESE PEOPLE. WE DO NOT HAVE TO BLINDLY FOLLOW THEIR AGENDA BUT AS A STATE BUILD BRIDGES WITH THE CHINESE. THERE IS A LOT IN COMMON BETWEEN US AND THE CHINESE.
Let india play "TIBET" card.By: Bhagath | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:07:29 PM Reply | Forward India must openly support Tibetans aspirations of freedom Chinese rule.
Mischief MongrersBy: Iquebal Ahmed | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:49:23 PM Reply | Forward These yankees are real mischief mongreres. They can create discontent between any two countries of the world for their own selfish gains. The reality is that we cannot match the Chinese in any of the field they have excelled. They have already produced a single dose vaccine for swine flue. They are only next to 'NOWARTIS' in doing so. Now tell me what our scietists are doing? Sleeping over swine flue? The entire world watched the Chinese with awe the way they produced the infrastructure and conducted Olympic games. At present we are finding it hell of a job to conduct paltry Commonwealth games. These are only two small examples to prove their supremacy over all other Asian countries. Beware of Yankee dogs!
No paki trolls allowed hereBy: BP | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:20:46 PM Reply | Forward All we have to beware of are Pakis like you coming to our forum to troll. The US si our friend and ally now much to the disdain of you pakis. All China has done is to steal western technology and make copies. Their economic rise is purely due to stupid western countries who invested there and set up manufacturing. It is the export from these units that keeps the Chinese employed.
Fools ParadiseBy: Iquebal Ahmed | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:26:45 PM Reply | Forward You are a stupid feloow to commnent like this to my comment. Guys like you only think in terms hindus and muslims and India and Pakistan. You are living in a fools paradise.
Mischief MongrersBy: Jayadevan | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:13:17 PM Reply | Forward If Soviet Union can be dissolved, China too will be disintegrated into China, Tibet and Xingjiam(?). It is just a matter of time. Now regarding your statement "we cannot match the Chinese in any of the field they have excelled", tell me where India is not matching. China's success is mainly due to population control and single party system. Chinese have one child family system. How many in India will agree to that policy. On that day, India can surpass US, forget about china. Also, politicians in India are also equally responsible. In spite of all these adversities, India achieved this much growth rate. Fianlly, you dont have to be very much proud of Chinese system. In China, some religious people cannot offer prayers even during their holy months. All world, including "Yankees" allows that.
Nothing is MatchingBy: Iquebal Ahmed | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:30:42 PM Reply | Forward Take one more achievement not matching. Our 'Chndrayana' was a flop show and their 'Chandrayana' was a success.
are you kiddingBy: Vijay | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:22:00 PM Reply | Forward India has 800 million earning less than 1 US $. There is no public health care. We have crumbling infrastructure and massive corruption.please stop living in imagination. We have a long way to catch up with the west.If India is a moralistic society why do we have massive corruption in every government office, not just the 500 MP
chinese incursionsBy: narotam | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:40:48 PM Reply | Forward There is a saying --the only thing straight about the mainland Chinese is their hair!The Indian Govt should remember this and shape the economic and defense policies around that !
Chinese incursionBy: Jose Sebastian | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:32:58 PM Reply | Forward China has off and on intruding into Indian territory and later denying it and this has been the case for long. Of late they are uneasy about our increasing clout and acceptability as a regional power and has resorted to bullying like a school bully who need to be tackled.Looking the other way with the Chinese will be at a great cost for India and history should have taught us bitter lessons.If we remain on hibernation and denying incursions, it will only encourage the dragon to further provoke us and make us on the defensive. We should at least have the means to stand up to the chinese otherwise, we will increasingly have to deal with their aggressive intentions every now and then as their claim on our territory is never ending.
North East and main land connect neededBy: Ajay, Pune | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:24:09 PM Reply | Forward There has to be a focussed action on integrating the NE with rest of the country. While Education and over all jobs bring the people from NE into the mainland, tourism and agro industry can be the easiest to begin with.Govt also needs to start more Engg, Medical colleges. May be Mayavati should be given persmission to build whatever smarak or sthal... but in NE.
Nationalism should drive our development in Ladakh and NE StaesBy: Anil Gupta | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:08:29 PM Reply | Forward Sir, When China was building airports and laying railways deep inside Tibet our leaders were sleeping. When they were building peripheral roads we were sleeping. When they were surrounding our naval boundaries we were sleeping. This has been the general trend of our rulers particularly of Nehru clan. We do not have a long term national perspective in our defence perspective or national vision to safeguard our long-term national interest. It was PV Narsimha Rao who had declared that the area in Indian Ocean is ours and we can not allow any other power to interfere in our area of influence. But unfortunately neither NDA nor UPA-1 or UPA-2 has shown such alacrity in dealing with China. We should develop Ladakh much faster than at present. Similarly Arunachal, Sikkim and other north eastern states be developed rapidly to combat Chinese show of strength through its development of Tibet or other areas adjoining our borders because that affects the morale of our people.
DEVELOPMENTBy: TUWARAM DUTTA | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:04:27 PM Reply | Forward Development of entire North-East states should be the prime focus for GOI.Dilipadet roads, broken bridges, flood affected underdeveloped areas,hilly dangerous terrain etc. are the regular features of NE. COMMUNICATION BOTTLENECKS always creates a feeling of isolation with the mainland which results formation of so-much separatist
Indian PassivenessBy: sanjay | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:01:49 PM Reply | Forward And India has never been in a better position ever in its history than now when our economy and country is beginning to boom, there is plenty of money....but as usual we are led by incompetent and passive leaders with zero vision and foresight.
Through the mind of Chinese-2.By: Prabhudayal | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:01:30 PM Reply | Forward Indian economy is not any meaningful threat to Chinese, if the numbers alone are a consideration. But, there is a vast difference between the two economies, and how they are basically structured. Chinese richness is tied to trade excess with US and western nations. They have borrowed so much from China, that it is staggering. That number most likely exists only on paper, as the printed currency is recycled back in west. It is certain that that kind of debt can never be payed back in the same form and kind, as the west lacks the urgency for earth destroying mindset to balance the books. Lacking any other acceptable alternative, world has no choice except to live with the same order. If this order fails, and it would and logically should at some point in future, India would gain enormous advantage over China overnight. This natural progression can only be altered militarily; but the price could be unfathomable to the Chinese, as they may be counting pennies for a millenia.
There is more to it than meets the eye...Contd/-By: Sreenivasan Raju Aiyer | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:59:55 AM Reply | Forward Contd.../-Chinese Engineers who successfully completed the Three Gorges Dam across the river Yangtze generating 22000 MW of power have reached the implementation stage of this more ambitious project. Here, they are planning to divert the flow of Brahmaputra towards the Chinese North. In order to bring about this artificial turn in the flow of a giant river like Brahmaputra nothing short of a nuclear implosion would do. So that is what they are planning to do in the last quarter of 2010.Before that they would like to have the entire area of India’s North-East in general or the Arunachal Pradesh in particular under their geographic control so that any opposition to their selfish plans from its neighbour(s) can be silenced by this posture of sabbre-rattling across our borders! China even from its imperialist days is expansionist in nature. Their gobbling up of Tibet, eastern Kashmir (Aksai Chin), Xingjian in the past should serve as an eye-opener for the civilized world.
Indian PassivenessBy: sanjay | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:56:09 AM Reply | Forward 3) Speed up and launch the Nuclear submarine ASAP. Have a dozen of them roaming around the seas. 4) Immediately meet up with Taiwan and Japan and provide Taiwan with nuclear weapons and technology. 5) Declare Tibet as an independent nation which has a natural and long history with indian civilisation and culture and its integration with India is inevitable.
Fire BackBy: Bhargava | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:56:05 AM Reply | Forward India needs to take strong stpes in preventing the Chinese. Also, they should respond with strong defence interms retalitatory firing and others means of displaying the vigilance along the borders as we do the pakis.
This is to divert their internal unrestBy: none | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:55:57 AM Reply | Forward The Chinese are facing Muslim uprising and Chinese discontent. A war at this stage will change internal equation. So, the war.
What India may doBy: Arun | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:55:02 AM Reply | Forward Chinese incursion is the result of many factors. These may be (i) Frustration due to India's progress. China commented with a mood of jealousy on our success in Chandrayan, (ii) China is basically a country to grab more land. This is reflected in their action on Tibet. India's closeness to Dalai Lama is pinch for China. That does not mean we should avoid Dalai Lama. (iii) India is a big competitor for chinese market. Inferior quality Chinese drugs were sold under Indian name. There are many other factors also. Now India must develop the eastern sector to beautiful spots for tourist attraction. These will solve many problems.
Chinese are underdogs!!!By: Atamjeet Singh Bhatia | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:50:59 AM Reply | Forward Chinese are better than Indians in power and technology. They also know all the ways to fight a battle. They are creating problems in North by somewhere placing stone embedded with chinese language and somewhere else misguiding india of there false intrusion. I think India must relaize that china may attach india on some other front like Arunachal pradesh or else. This may help India to build a strong army at other places as well.
Indian submissiveness is disasterBy: sanjay | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:46:16 AM Reply | Forward It is increasingly scary and worrisome, that the indian govt has no concrete understanding of foreign affairs and issues. They treat countries as "friends". China is no ones friend! The only language china will understand is the language of force and might. What is wrong with our stupid leaders??? They are stupid, thats whats wrong! Indian leaders through from history keep repeating the same mistakes again and again. We are invaded, brutalised, bashed (like in australia) and humiliated world over. Can we move out of this "chalega or sab theek ho jayega attitude"? Here is a simple soln to deal with the chinkies: 1.Get ISRO and DRDO to immediately manufacture and deploy a 100 nuclear tipped ICBMs at Chinese cities. 100 nuclear missiles at Pakis. Another 50 ICBMS at US, UK, Aus, Europe. Projection of might is the only language that the modern world understands and give india the much needed respect that it deserves. 2) Recruit another 600 million soldiers.
Through the mind of Chinese.By: Prabhudayal | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:43:53 AM Reply | Forward What goes through the mind of chinese is most important. This article is indeed well written. Chinese have many alarms coinciding simultaneously. The rise of Indian economy and science, civic downfall and anarchy in it's 'arch-friend' Pakistan which has been supported at all costs to weigh down India, and it's internal unrest in key populations at the borders. Chinese in east have been blessed with plenty through millenia; and the only sustainable resistance to their empirehood has been religion, as it flourished in harsh and remote areas which rose to ferocious power relatively briefly during their favourable times. Only by crushing religion, which is a symbol of organised resistance to the chinese, they can claim everlasting victory (did many times !!). Current chinese aggression may be a deep itch for a masterstroke, that would bring Tibetans forever to their knees. It is time to involve Russia and US into the equation as stakeholders;as any other chinese goals seem unchinese.
China is our natural enemyBy: VIMAL JOSHI | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:40:46 AM Reply | Forward Actually China had never stopped to disturbe India and never it will. Actually, there are some relations which are made naturally opposite to person or state and since begining they are such that if even try enormously to track them on road but they are such that they never happend to any good, as it is destined not to happen.The same is with China, Pakistan etc. It will never happen that these countries will be our friend ever and will be in peace with us. If we think so we are a very big fool. China,Pakistan and America have never been good to us, as it was Russia - our reliable friend. At first it did opening war directly, secondly with the help of Pakistan and now is the time to do the deeds with little mixture. China is joining against us with each and every of our neighbours and will never be our friend. So we have to help ourselves by not taking mild decisions against any thing that is against our country at any rate,pace,time and matter. We must not live in oblivion.JAI HIND
Congress 'Bad Luck For India'By: wiser | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:40:23 AM Reply | Forward While there are reports of chinese intrusion poping up increasingly by the length of day , the downplay from the govt is awe struck. Two possiblities , one the govt keen to disguise the eastern neighbour and meanwhile try to fill the backlog of the detterent on NE border . Second one to disguise its own poeple while soldiers are being shot at by PLA. The second would be catastrophic for India and there is not much reason not to beleive that. The history of congress and its policy makers are supportive of that. They coined "HINDI CHINI BHAI BHAI" when china was rolling tanks in Assamese plains. Such is the pathetic policy of congress, result of which we have pakistan claiming on ICT(Indian controlled Kashmir) while it already has POK on west and China controlling 1/3 of Kasmir as Aksai Chin and laying claims over entire Arunanchal pradesh in addition to Sikkim. Congress never woke up from the dreams of being champions of non-violence.
Be aware.By: S.V.Ramanan | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:13:54 AM Reply | Forward It needs a neighbor to take note that you are a force to reckon with and you are not even aware of it.I recall Sri Lanka's Jayawardene's statement on India -' You do not know your strength.When you groan,we shiver'.Time we realized this and be aggressive in our foreign policy towards China which is recalcitrant.
Action not Reaction !By: Thomas Sarasam | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:12:49 AM Reply | Forward Chineese or Bangaladeshis or whoever! Our Border security policy should not depend on who is intruding from where ? It should rather be at the best interests of the people of India. Best interests as in Safetly and security, financially, poilitically, culturally and of course physcially. Sealing the borders and using BSF, ITBF and other similar forces to patrol Stringently is the only solution to this menace.
Easy method to circumvent the chinese By: Indo Canadian | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:10:01 AM Reply | Forward It is easy to circumvent the Chinese. Develop a super city in the east from the ground up to act as the regions Mumbai or Dehli, this will increase development in the region and solidify Indian claim to the land. It's one thing sending your soldiers into a wasteland or a jungle and painting a few rocks, but it is impossible to make the same statement by sending your soldiers into a city.
Easy method to circumvent the chineseBy: V Tiwari | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:56:40 AM Reply | Forward indeed a very good suggestion by Indo Canadian
Chinese intrusion is due to weak govt at the centreBy: Suchithra | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:00:12 AM Reply | Forward Chinese intrusion is due to weak govt at the centre.They are aware of this Nehru dynsaty very well
More unease for IndiaBy: Kalidas M | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 10:49:34 AM Reply | Forward China's unease should be more of our unease, too. Or, the ball (bomb) soon will be in our court, you see.
Chinese IncursionsBy: VR Venugopal Rao | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 10:48:15 AM Reply | Forward There is no use of blaming incursions. Prevention is better than cure. India should build up more Armed Forces along borders and concentrate on developing North east states on par with other states. Armed forces should play dual role both as a Security Agency and also as a Contributor to Development of Areas like Border Roads Organisation. Huge Investements are made in Infrastructure mainly on Highways. There are many areas in North east which do not have access to Roads which is the main reason for rising insurgency in North starting from Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, Manipur etc. Incursions are also happening from Bangladesh which are not coming to light. West Bengal has highest Migration from Bangladesh due to language coincidence and becomes difficult for the security agencies to detect these people. Seal the Borders, maintain highest vigil, there is high rate of unemployment, youth can be recruited in large numbers for protecting the borders.
corret but govt is interested only in powerBy: suchithra | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:49:45 PM Reply | Forward Good suggestions.100% right.But who will listen to us?Minority appeasing govt is only interested in power
Chinese IncursionsBy: Binod kumar | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:13:54 PM Reply | Forward Chinese Threat is real. We should strenghthen our Army with more powerful equipments at a much faster speed.It is important we deploy immediately Agni missiles with 5000 KM range fitted with Nuclear Bombs. We immediately start developing Missiles with 7000 KM range. We buy Nuclear submarines atleast 15-20 in numbers.We buy and deploy a minimum of 200 nos.Sukhoi and F16 or Eurifighter , at Eatern Borders. 1000 Nos.T-90's Tanks and Anti-missiles systems in suffucient nos. All these are not very dificult, provided we have will and all Political parties cooperate.I believe, after this preparedness China will forget to even blink. Next target should be that in case of war, we should be in position to recapture our lost land.
How come !By: chanakya | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 10:41:17 AM Reply | Forward The entire world has witnessed the incursion by the pygmies but why Indian govt wants to ignore and argue that nothing has happened. Is it a strategy or weakness ? Chinese are the last population to be believed . They have shown what they are in Pandit Nehru times and I don't think any of the present generation leaders can come any where near to those generations in policy making. The dragon must be hunted and kept at bay. Else it will devour what ever it comes on its way. Instead of enjoying joy rides it is time for some stren action along the borders. It would be interesting to know the reactions of some of the prestigeous new papers who day in day out support the dragon on all counts.
"Well, I think China is becoming increasingly nervous about India's rise. It's something that they have to deal with that perhaps 10-15 years ago they didn't believe was something that was necessary to focus on," said Lisa Curtis of the Heritage Foundation.
We saw this when they to tried scuttle at the last minute, the civil nuclear deal at the Nuclear Supplier Group meeting last year and so that was sort of an indication that China is not completely comfortable with India's rise on the world stage," said Curtis.
Recently, two soldiers of the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) were reportedly injured in firing from across the border on the Line of Actual Control in Arunachal Pradesh.
India, however, denied that two of its border guards were injured in firing by Chinese forces.
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Curtis said both the sides were mutually mistrustful of each other on the border issue.
"The border issue has lingered for a long time and I think both sides created mistrust on both sides. Perhaps since China is dealing with its internal issue, it has not been interested in completely resolving the border issue but that said. I do not think so either side is interested in any kind of conflict. But I do not see the negotiation moving forward either," Curtis added.
India and China fought a short war in 1962 and, despite burgeoning trade in recent years, mistrust remains.
The two countries have faced off at multi-lateral forums, including Chinese objections to a 60 million dollar Asian Development Bank loan for a project in Arunachal Pradesh.
Reports of Chinese "incursions" have become more frequent of late.
Army launches annual maintenance of forward posts
The Indian Army has launched a massive effort at strengthening forward posts along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China, which they described as "routine."
The effort, aimed at operational alertness and kick-started this week, comes at this time annually just before the weather gets worse during winters.
"Nothing much should be attached to this effort, which is carried out annually for maintenance of the forward posts before the weather makes it impossible. This is a matter of routine," Army sources said.
The effort will go on for a month and for the purpose, the Army has employed about half of its strength posted along the 4,057-km-long LAC in Jammu and Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand, Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh in active duty, they said.
This maintenance effort comes at a time when there have been reports of incursions by Chinese troops in Chumar region of Ladakh in Jammu and Kashmir where they brought in a military helicopter to air-drop food cans and painted Mandarin letters on some of the stones to lay claim to the territory.
These incursions, the Army had said, were "nothing unusual" due to differing perceptions of LAC on both sides.
Other media reports of Chinese fighter jets violating Indian airspace and firing at ITBP jawans in Sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh in the last three months have been denied by the government.
The Famous Himalayan Blunder-Brig.John DalvyBy: Amit Bhartari | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 17:26:57 PM Reply | Forward This book has been banned by Congress Govt.Read this book to know what happened in 1962 , the foolish acts of Pt.Nehru. You will know that we are at the same stage once again and repeating same mistakes
Chinas uneasiness.By: Varghese Joseph | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 17:00:13 PM Reply | Forward Whether theres a mistrust or not, Iam sad the Indian side is not replying to any sort of border incursions with the Chinese. I prefer to see a determined and solid counter reaction from India to China, which keeps the entire Indian nation joy. To be honest, in any case of eventuality like a Chinese attack into India, Iam sure that whole Indian people would be there with Indian Army, the defence forces. Is there any doubt on that? But the basic things, to prove to the people, that India Govt. looks and is caring for its people, that is not yet conveyed to the people of India. Just protest with media, is not the answer at all. When do we think we cn change our policies?
Indiia can match China in all aspect..By: gus | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 16:02:57 PM Reply | Forward China grew at the expense of USA,E.U. and N.A.It's growth and its prosperity will soon fizzle out,have doubts check the economic facts.India model is a better model and by 2035 India will be at par with China,let no demagogue fool you.The doctrine of MAD will ensure that China will chicken out,whenit comes to fully fledged conflict.India has nothing to fear and focus on economic growth,as the dynamics are in India's favour and has beeter potential than China, longterm.
Broader VisionBy: Gautam | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 15:40:48 PM Reply | Forward Needless to say that the current Global Economic Condition does not give confidence that it is ready to sustain a war!It is time that both the countries see through the planning of some rival economies which do not want Asia to rise economically, socially
Everybody equally responsibleBy: Tauseef malik | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 15:19:25 PM Reply | Forward We must not forget the political turmoil that our politicians have landed us in.They mean their status even at the cost of entire country . They have always supported communalism , corruption and other related crimes . They think of themselves but never about country . we as citizens are equally responsible for degrading the vitality of the country . we vote the most incompetent candidates not becoz by mistake but out of prejudices entrenched within us against other communities . It is high time that we realise our responsibilities as good citizens and help in prospering our country . And it is only then that we can challenge any confrontation with valour .
India will continue to riseBy: vijay | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 15:19:15 PM Reply | Forward INDIA deserves to be a developed nation, unlike other countries we have been very good in all aspects . so hope abdul kalam's dream of seeing India as a developed nation in 2020 is coming true, and i pray to god that all Indians should work for this and need to destroy the religion barrier among us. weather its Hindu , Muslim or Cristian , we need to forward unitedly , let all religion peoples in India live in peace. jai hind
mrBy: joshi | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 15:16:32 PM Reply | Forward china is not a danger to India, it is the pakistan.though pak was defeeted by India all the time, but beeing shameless she will try again and again to attack India.India need to be carefull from pak.
China By: Dinesh | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 15:06:10 PM Reply | Forward I believe there is enough for both Asian giants to enjoy the economic growth and become global giants. Actually Asia stands on these two pillars and they can make sure the Global strengths move from West to East as they account for 40% on Global Population - the biggest markets.China and India should understand - harming each other is like playing into the trap by the WEST which believes in divide and rule.West will continue trying-China or India has a faith like Soviet / Russia and reduce them to vegetable nation. There are bound to be rogue elements in each country - but those are internal issues and such Rogue elements rise and fall - history has shown - we should not give tomuch importance to such rogue elements.So its for China
globalizationBy: nazar | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:55:13 PM Reply | Forward india and chinas economic success secret is globalization- chinas success is not a new thing- they invented Paper, and lot of contribution they already given-on reducing poverty china is far better than india- i don,t think chinas success is single party system or birth control- with out this United states , india won economic progress-
Need DiplomacyBy: Sanjay Chauhan | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:36:25 PM Reply | Forward War can be win from Guns,But Its Play from Mind
Diplomacy By: Sanjay Chauhan | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:34:47 PM Reply | Forward War can be win from Guns,But Its Play from Mind
China's stargic game planBy: Amit | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:22:32 PM Reply | Forward China want to create hevok in world which can divert focus from India- pakistan ties. and it can work as an alibi for pakistan to work on their stragic innfeltration and development of there terror network.
China's stargic game planBy: Amit | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:22:16 PM Reply | Forward China want to create hevok in world which can divert focus from India- pakistan ties. and it can work as an alibi for pakistan to work on their stragic innfeltration and development of there terror network.
THE BIGGEST THREAT INDIAIS FACING IS NOT PAKIS. BUT CHINA AND AMERICANSBy: n.r.i. | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:11:49 PM Reply | Forward THE BIGGEST THREAT INDIA IS FACING TO-DAY IS FROM AMERICANS AND CHINA WHO ARE CO-SPONSERS TO CARRY OUT PROXY WAR .THE TWO BGGEST LAIRS IN THIS WORLD ARE AMERICANS AND F@@KING PAKIS.INDIA HAS PICKED THE WRONG ALLY AND PUT ALL EGGS IN ONE BASKET . THE MOST TRUSTED AND TRIED ALLY RUSSIA IS FORGOTTEN ON THE ORDERS OF HIGH COMMAND WHO HAPPENS TO BE WAITRESS FROM ITALY , WEST . WAKE UP INDIA .
Chinese IncursionBy: KUMAR | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:06:46 PM Reply | Forward The Media says incursion but the government says no such thig has happened but why the a top level meeting of N.S.A has been called for in New Delhi today???????
This article is absurdBy: Raj Thackrey | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:56:18 PM Reply | Forward This article is completely absurd. First of all india can never in its wildest dreams can match the capabilities of china in its current form. Just taken the conventional warfare china can overwhelm india in a matter of days, check the history if you do not agree with me. Its better for india to stop this hysteria against china and manage its own infrastructure. The chinese are hard working and china is atleast twenty years ahead of india in development, the only thing they lack is the language but by 2020 china will be the country with maximum number of english speakers, check the statistics if you do not agree with me. By then india will not exist in its current form or break into pieces.
Anti indians votes for congBy: suchithra | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 16:52:39 PM Reply | Forward If an Anti Indian like you kep voting cong,the above said by you will surely happen.
Never trust the Chinese.By: Venkat | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:45:24 PM Reply | Forward One thing should be clear to our Mandarins in New Delhi. Never trust the Chinese or the Pakistanis and we should make it a state policy to initiate steps to undermine their authority wherever possible-Both within india and in their own countries. At the end of the day we may trust the Americans, the Russians and the French but not the Chinese. Let us not forget the way they tried to scuttle the Nuclear Agreement, their influence in India through the Communist Party of India, their massive support to the Naxalite groups in India, the support they have given to Pakistan and the war in '62. Our government should do its best to develop the North East to counter Chinese influence or risk losing the entire area to the 'Red Terror'.
True IndianBy: VSM | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:16:51 PM Reply | Forward China has encircled India by stategically helping our neighbouring countries against Indian Interests,Pakistan, Bangladesh,Mynamar,Sri Lanka, Nepal.It is taking Indian land in Inches as very slow pace coparable to peak evening Traffic speed of Delhi.China has made made startegic friends in Middle East like Saudi Arabia, UAE. In African continent it secured energy supplying deals with poor countries. India's Political class (both Ruling Party and Opposition Parties)is most selfish and has ensured that India remains isolated on the World map. USA is most untrustworthy country as a friend to any country. There history provess they USE and ABUSE nations. India has poor relations with Russia. India has no small or big nation as a true friend of any influence or capacity. China will attack India Militarily and we will suffer the defeat of 1962. We are condemend a life of shame subjected by our Politiciens. Armed Forces
Indian Army is superior than ChineseBy: Boby Mehta | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:13:12 PM Reply | Forward The fact is that a army with three million troops is useless against a small, mobile and well trained and dedicated army. Take the case of Israel, only 300,000 Israeli troops decimated the combined forces of Arabs in 1967 and has never lost a war. It is no use shaking in the boots, the combined strenght of Indian army (only army) is nealy 1.7 millions plus other para military forces. Indians are far more better trained and equipment of India is superior than Chinese. India can give a fitting reply to Chinese, it has not been made public but in 1967 (?) Indian army cut Chinese to their size at Nathu La. The only trouble is Indian political gutlessness and cowardice.
israelBy: indian | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:35:28 PM Reply | Forward Israel defeated Arabs with the help of American weapons
Why Pakistan Lost des[ite American Paton Tanks and Sabre Jets?By: Anil Gupta | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 17:45:27 PM Reply | Forward Sir, Wars are won not by weapons alone but by the men behind the weapons. Despite American Paton Tanks Sabre Jets India defeated Pakistan in 1965
GUJJUS BUILD BRIDGES WITH THE CHINESE.By: HARISH | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:12:37 PM Reply | Forward TO MY FELLOW GUJJUS,FOR FAR TOO LONG WE HAVE HAD TO PAINFULLY AND SILENTLY ENDURE THE INCESSESANT DEMONISATION AND ABUSIVE VILLIFICATION OF OUR STATE AND HER PEOPLE BY THESE SLUMDOG INDIANS AND WE KNOW THE TRUE TREACHEROUS NATURE OF THESE PEOPLE. WE DO NOT HAVE TO BLINDLY FOLLOW THEIR AGENDA BUT AS A STATE BUILD BRIDGES WITH THE CHINESE. THERE IS A LOT IN COMMON BETWEEN US AND THE CHINESE.
Let india play "TIBET" card.By: Bhagath | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:07:29 PM Reply | Forward India must openly support Tibetans aspirations of freedom Chinese rule.
Mischief MongrersBy: Iquebal Ahmed | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:49:23 PM Reply | Forward These yankees are real mischief mongreres. They can create discontent between any two countries of the world for their own selfish gains. The reality is that we cannot match the Chinese in any of the field they have excelled. They have already produced a single dose vaccine for swine flue. They are only next to 'NOWARTIS' in doing so. Now tell me what our scietists are doing? Sleeping over swine flue? The entire world watched the Chinese with awe the way they produced the infrastructure and conducted Olympic games. At present we are finding it hell of a job to conduct paltry Commonwealth games. These are only two small examples to prove their supremacy over all other Asian countries. Beware of Yankee dogs!
No paki trolls allowed hereBy: BP | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:20:46 PM Reply | Forward All we have to beware of are Pakis like you coming to our forum to troll. The US si our friend and ally now much to the disdain of you pakis. All China has done is to steal western technology and make copies. Their economic rise is purely due to stupid western countries who invested there and set up manufacturing. It is the export from these units that keeps the Chinese employed.
Fools ParadiseBy: Iquebal Ahmed | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:26:45 PM Reply | Forward You are a stupid feloow to commnent like this to my comment. Guys like you only think in terms hindus and muslims and India and Pakistan. You are living in a fools paradise.
Mischief MongrersBy: Jayadevan | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 13:13:17 PM Reply | Forward If Soviet Union can be dissolved, China too will be disintegrated into China, Tibet and Xingjiam(?). It is just a matter of time. Now regarding your statement "we cannot match the Chinese in any of the field they have excelled", tell me where India is not matching. China's success is mainly due to population control and single party system. Chinese have one child family system. How many in India will agree to that policy. On that day, India can surpass US, forget about china. Also, politicians in India are also equally responsible. In spite of all these adversities, India achieved this much growth rate. Fianlly, you dont have to be very much proud of Chinese system. In China, some religious people cannot offer prayers even during their holy months. All world, including "Yankees" allows that.
Nothing is MatchingBy: Iquebal Ahmed | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:30:42 PM Reply | Forward Take one more achievement not matching. Our 'Chndrayana' was a flop show and their 'Chandrayana' was a success.
are you kiddingBy: Vijay | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:22:00 PM Reply | Forward India has 800 million earning less than 1 US $. There is no public health care. We have crumbling infrastructure and massive corruption.please stop living in imagination. We have a long way to catch up with the west.If India is a moralistic society why do we have massive corruption in every government office, not just the 500 MP
chinese incursionsBy: narotam | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:40:48 PM Reply | Forward There is a saying --the only thing straight about the mainland Chinese is their hair!The Indian Govt should remember this and shape the economic and defense policies around that !
Chinese incursionBy: Jose Sebastian | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:32:58 PM Reply | Forward China has off and on intruding into Indian territory and later denying it and this has been the case for long. Of late they are uneasy about our increasing clout and acceptability as a regional power and has resorted to bullying like a school bully who need to be tackled.Looking the other way with the Chinese will be at a great cost for India and history should have taught us bitter lessons.If we remain on hibernation and denying incursions, it will only encourage the dragon to further provoke us and make us on the defensive. We should at least have the means to stand up to the chinese otherwise, we will increasingly have to deal with their aggressive intentions every now and then as their claim on our territory is never ending.
North East and main land connect neededBy: Ajay, Pune | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:24:09 PM Reply | Forward There has to be a focussed action on integrating the NE with rest of the country. While Education and over all jobs bring the people from NE into the mainland, tourism and agro industry can be the easiest to begin with.Govt also needs to start more Engg, Medical colleges. May be Mayavati should be given persmission to build whatever smarak or sthal... but in NE.
Nationalism should drive our development in Ladakh and NE StaesBy: Anil Gupta | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:08:29 PM Reply | Forward Sir, When China was building airports and laying railways deep inside Tibet our leaders were sleeping. When they were building peripheral roads we were sleeping. When they were surrounding our naval boundaries we were sleeping. This has been the general trend of our rulers particularly of Nehru clan. We do not have a long term national perspective in our defence perspective or national vision to safeguard our long-term national interest. It was PV Narsimha Rao who had declared that the area in Indian Ocean is ours and we can not allow any other power to interfere in our area of influence. But unfortunately neither NDA nor UPA-1 or UPA-2 has shown such alacrity in dealing with China. We should develop Ladakh much faster than at present. Similarly Arunachal, Sikkim and other north eastern states be developed rapidly to combat Chinese show of strength through its development of Tibet or other areas adjoining our borders because that affects the morale of our people.
DEVELOPMENTBy: TUWARAM DUTTA | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:04:27 PM Reply | Forward Development of entire North-East states should be the prime focus for GOI.Dilipadet roads, broken bridges, flood affected underdeveloped areas,hilly dangerous terrain etc. are the regular features of NE. COMMUNICATION BOTTLENECKS always creates a feeling of isolation with the mainland which results formation of so-much separatist
Indian PassivenessBy: sanjay | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:01:49 PM Reply | Forward And India has never been in a better position ever in its history than now when our economy and country is beginning to boom, there is plenty of money....but as usual we are led by incompetent and passive leaders with zero vision and foresight.
Through the mind of Chinese-2.By: Prabhudayal | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:01:30 PM Reply | Forward Indian economy is not any meaningful threat to Chinese, if the numbers alone are a consideration. But, there is a vast difference between the two economies, and how they are basically structured. Chinese richness is tied to trade excess with US and western nations. They have borrowed so much from China, that it is staggering. That number most likely exists only on paper, as the printed currency is recycled back in west. It is certain that that kind of debt can never be payed back in the same form and kind, as the west lacks the urgency for earth destroying mindset to balance the books. Lacking any other acceptable alternative, world has no choice except to live with the same order. If this order fails, and it would and logically should at some point in future, India would gain enormous advantage over China overnight. This natural progression can only be altered militarily; but the price could be unfathomable to the Chinese, as they may be counting pennies for a millenia.
There is more to it than meets the eye...Contd/-By: Sreenivasan Raju Aiyer | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:59:55 AM Reply | Forward Contd.../-Chinese Engineers who successfully completed the Three Gorges Dam across the river Yangtze generating 22000 MW of power have reached the implementation stage of this more ambitious project. Here, they are planning to divert the flow of Brahmaputra towards the Chinese North. In order to bring about this artificial turn in the flow of a giant river like Brahmaputra nothing short of a nuclear implosion would do. So that is what they are planning to do in the last quarter of 2010.Before that they would like to have the entire area of India’s North-East in general or the Arunachal Pradesh in particular under their geographic control so that any opposition to their selfish plans from its neighbour(s) can be silenced by this posture of sabbre-rattling across our borders! China even from its imperialist days is expansionist in nature. Their gobbling up of Tibet, eastern Kashmir (Aksai Chin), Xingjian in the past should serve as an eye-opener for the civilized world.
Indian PassivenessBy: sanjay | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:56:09 AM Reply | Forward 3) Speed up and launch the Nuclear submarine ASAP. Have a dozen of them roaming around the seas. 4) Immediately meet up with Taiwan and Japan and provide Taiwan with nuclear weapons and technology. 5) Declare Tibet as an independent nation which has a natural and long history with indian civilisation and culture and its integration with India is inevitable.
Fire BackBy: Bhargava | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:56:05 AM Reply | Forward India needs to take strong stpes in preventing the Chinese. Also, they should respond with strong defence interms retalitatory firing and others means of displaying the vigilance along the borders as we do the pakis.
This is to divert their internal unrestBy: none | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:55:57 AM Reply | Forward The Chinese are facing Muslim uprising and Chinese discontent. A war at this stage will change internal equation. So, the war.
What India may doBy: Arun | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:55:02 AM Reply | Forward Chinese incursion is the result of many factors. These may be (i) Frustration due to India's progress. China commented with a mood of jealousy on our success in Chandrayan, (ii) China is basically a country to grab more land. This is reflected in their action on Tibet. India's closeness to Dalai Lama is pinch for China. That does not mean we should avoid Dalai Lama. (iii) India is a big competitor for chinese market. Inferior quality Chinese drugs were sold under Indian name. There are many other factors also. Now India must develop the eastern sector to beautiful spots for tourist attraction. These will solve many problems.
Chinese are underdogs!!!By: Atamjeet Singh Bhatia | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:50:59 AM Reply | Forward Chinese are better than Indians in power and technology. They also know all the ways to fight a battle. They are creating problems in North by somewhere placing stone embedded with chinese language and somewhere else misguiding india of there false intrusion. I think India must relaize that china may attach india on some other front like Arunachal pradesh or else. This may help India to build a strong army at other places as well.
Indian submissiveness is disasterBy: sanjay | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:46:16 AM Reply | Forward It is increasingly scary and worrisome, that the indian govt has no concrete understanding of foreign affairs and issues. They treat countries as "friends". China is no ones friend! The only language china will understand is the language of force and might. What is wrong with our stupid leaders??? They are stupid, thats whats wrong! Indian leaders through from history keep repeating the same mistakes again and again. We are invaded, brutalised, bashed (like in australia) and humiliated world over. Can we move out of this "chalega or sab theek ho jayega attitude"? Here is a simple soln to deal with the chinkies: 1.Get ISRO and DRDO to immediately manufacture and deploy a 100 nuclear tipped ICBMs at Chinese cities. 100 nuclear missiles at Pakis. Another 50 ICBMS at US, UK, Aus, Europe. Projection of might is the only language that the modern world understands and give india the much needed respect that it deserves. 2) Recruit another 600 million soldiers.
Through the mind of Chinese.By: Prabhudayal | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:43:53 AM Reply | Forward What goes through the mind of chinese is most important. This article is indeed well written. Chinese have many alarms coinciding simultaneously. The rise of Indian economy and science, civic downfall and anarchy in it's 'arch-friend' Pakistan which has been supported at all costs to weigh down India, and it's internal unrest in key populations at the borders. Chinese in east have been blessed with plenty through millenia; and the only sustainable resistance to their empirehood has been religion, as it flourished in harsh and remote areas which rose to ferocious power relatively briefly during their favourable times. Only by crushing religion, which is a symbol of organised resistance to the chinese, they can claim everlasting victory (did many times !!). Current chinese aggression may be a deep itch for a masterstroke, that would bring Tibetans forever to their knees. It is time to involve Russia and US into the equation as stakeholders;as any other chinese goals seem unchinese.
China is our natural enemyBy: VIMAL JOSHI | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:40:46 AM Reply | Forward Actually China had never stopped to disturbe India and never it will. Actually, there are some relations which are made naturally opposite to person or state and since begining they are such that if even try enormously to track them on road but they are such that they never happend to any good, as it is destined not to happen.The same is with China, Pakistan etc. It will never happen that these countries will be our friend ever and will be in peace with us. If we think so we are a very big fool. China,Pakistan and America have never been good to us, as it was Russia - our reliable friend. At first it did opening war directly, secondly with the help of Pakistan and now is the time to do the deeds with little mixture. China is joining against us with each and every of our neighbours and will never be our friend. So we have to help ourselves by not taking mild decisions against any thing that is against our country at any rate,pace,time and matter. We must not live in oblivion.JAI HIND
Congress 'Bad Luck For India'By: wiser | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:40:23 AM Reply | Forward While there are reports of chinese intrusion poping up increasingly by the length of day , the downplay from the govt is awe struck. Two possiblities , one the govt keen to disguise the eastern neighbour and meanwhile try to fill the backlog of the detterent on NE border . Second one to disguise its own poeple while soldiers are being shot at by PLA. The second would be catastrophic for India and there is not much reason not to beleive that. The history of congress and its policy makers are supportive of that. They coined "HINDI CHINI BHAI BHAI" when china was rolling tanks in Assamese plains. Such is the pathetic policy of congress, result of which we have pakistan claiming on ICT(Indian controlled Kashmir) while it already has POK on west and China controlling 1/3 of Kasmir as Aksai Chin and laying claims over entire Arunanchal pradesh in addition to Sikkim. Congress never woke up from the dreams of being champions of non-violence.
Be aware.By: S.V.Ramanan | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:13:54 AM Reply | Forward It needs a neighbor to take note that you are a force to reckon with and you are not even aware of it.I recall Sri Lanka's Jayawardene's statement on India -' You do not know your strength.When you groan,we shiver'.Time we realized this and be aggressive in our foreign policy towards China which is recalcitrant.
Action not Reaction !By: Thomas Sarasam | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:12:49 AM Reply | Forward Chineese or Bangaladeshis or whoever! Our Border security policy should not depend on who is intruding from where ? It should rather be at the best interests of the people of India. Best interests as in Safetly and security, financially, poilitically, culturally and of course physcially. Sealing the borders and using BSF, ITBF and other similar forces to patrol Stringently is the only solution to this menace.
Easy method to circumvent the chinese By: Indo Canadian | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:10:01 AM Reply | Forward It is easy to circumvent the Chinese. Develop a super city in the east from the ground up to act as the regions Mumbai or Dehli, this will increase development in the region and solidify Indian claim to the land. It's one thing sending your soldiers into a wasteland or a jungle and painting a few rocks, but it is impossible to make the same statement by sending your soldiers into a city.
Easy method to circumvent the chineseBy: V Tiwari | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:56:40 AM Reply | Forward indeed a very good suggestion by Indo Canadian
Chinese intrusion is due to weak govt at the centreBy: Suchithra | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 11:00:12 AM Reply | Forward Chinese intrusion is due to weak govt at the centre.They are aware of this Nehru dynsaty very well
More unease for IndiaBy: Kalidas M | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 10:49:34 AM Reply | Forward China's unease should be more of our unease, too. Or, the ball (bomb) soon will be in our court, you see.
Chinese IncursionsBy: VR Venugopal Rao | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 10:48:15 AM Reply | Forward There is no use of blaming incursions. Prevention is better than cure. India should build up more Armed Forces along borders and concentrate on developing North east states on par with other states. Armed forces should play dual role both as a Security Agency and also as a Contributor to Development of Areas like Border Roads Organisation. Huge Investements are made in Infrastructure mainly on Highways. There are many areas in North east which do not have access to Roads which is the main reason for rising insurgency in North starting from Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, Manipur etc. Incursions are also happening from Bangladesh which are not coming to light. West Bengal has highest Migration from Bangladesh due to language coincidence and becomes difficult for the security agencies to detect these people. Seal the Borders, maintain highest vigil, there is high rate of unemployment, youth can be recruited in large numbers for protecting the borders.
corret but govt is interested only in powerBy: suchithra | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 14:49:45 PM Reply | Forward Good suggestions.100% right.But who will listen to us?Minority appeasing govt is only interested in power
Chinese IncursionsBy: Binod kumar | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 12:13:54 PM Reply | Forward Chinese Threat is real. We should strenghthen our Army with more powerful equipments at a much faster speed.It is important we deploy immediately Agni missiles with 5000 KM range fitted with Nuclear Bombs. We immediately start developing Missiles with 7000 KM range. We buy Nuclear submarines atleast 15-20 in numbers.We buy and deploy a minimum of 200 nos.Sukhoi and F16 or Eurifighter , at Eatern Borders. 1000 Nos.T-90's Tanks and Anti-missiles systems in suffucient nos. All these are not very dificult, provided we have will and all Political parties cooperate.I believe, after this preparedness China will forget to even blink. Next target should be that in case of war, we should be in position to recapture our lost land.
How come !By: chanakya | Thursday , 17 Sep '09 10:41:17 AM Reply | Forward The entire world has witnessed the incursion by the pygmies but why Indian govt wants to ignore and argue that nothing has happened. Is it a strategy or weakness ? Chinese are the last population to be believed . They have shown what they are in Pandit Nehru times and I don't think any of the present generation leaders can come any where near to those generations in policy making. The dragon must be hunted and kept at bay. Else it will devour what ever it comes on its way. Instead of enjoying joy rides it is time for some stren action along the borders. It would be interesting to know the reactions of some of the prestigeous new papers who day in day out support the dragon on all counts.
Wednesday, September 16, 2009
How the powers-that-be bungled '62 war
As Chinese troops continue their probing actions along the Sino-Indian boundary, the passive response of the government in New Delhi brings to
mind the experience of the 1962 border conflict with China, when slogans of Hindi-Chini-bhai-bhai deluded the Indian leadership into allowing the Chinese to roll into the plains of Assam.
Subsequently, the leadership in New Delhi did everything to cover the debacle, but if Neville Maxwell’s (the author of India’s China War) comments are anything to go by, then the responsibility for the disaster of 1962, lies with both the political leadership and the military commanders of 1962. These have been highlighted by the Henderson Brooks Report, which remains a strongly guarded document in the vaults of South Block.
But to dispel the common belief, that the report exposes the blunders of the political leadership, and therefore is a closely guarded secret, it must be made clear that it, in fact, looks only at what went wrong militarily. The government of the day clearly did not wish this inquiry to look into high-level policies and plans.
In fact, Lieutenant General Henderson Brooks was clearly directed not to fix responsibility onto specific individuals but the investigation was to look at mundane tactical issues like training, equipment, physical fitness of troops and the role of military commanders! Even the functioning of Army Headquarters was beyond the purview of this investigation, that Brooks, a second-generation British army officer, domiciled in India, from the Maratha Light Infantry Regiment, was asked to undertake.
The report was an unforgiving analysis about the problems along the frontier, discovering along the way what Lieutenant General B M Kaul, regarded by many as a lackey of then defence minister Krishna Menon and the government of the day, would liked to have kept hidden. It laid the blame on Army Headquarters for its direct interference, by bypassing the established chains of command, with deployment of troops on the frontline against the Chinese. The example of the General Staff in Delhi giving orders to the Dhola Post on the Thagla Ridge in then NEFA and now Arunachal Pradesh, was seen as incredible as the order for the charge of light brigade.
But all in all, the report doesn’t have any surprises and the publication of its 200 pages would only undo the myth that the 1962 conflict was a Chinese aggression. A series of studies have, over the years, clearly shown that Indian soldiers were in fact ordered to challenge the Chinese in a military confrontation which it could only lose. And the culprits were at Army Headquarters who, time and again, ordered troops into a forward policy and gave them no hope for a fighting withdrawal, an operation of war — like Lieutenant General B M Kaul, then Chief of General Staff and Brigadier (later Major General) Monty Palit, VrC, then director of Military Operations.
But the investigation, even if it wanted to, had no access to records of meetings in the ministry of defence, since then defence minister Krishna Menon had categorically disallowed any notes or minutes to be kept of his conferences, saying these were top secret in nature.
While the Indian Army has clearly learned its lessons from 1962 debacle, the muted response of India’s politico-diplomatic establishments to China’s brazen muscle flexing from Aksai Chin to Arunachal Pradesh, clearly leaves a lot to be desired. In 1963, Y B Chavan, who took over from Krishna Menon, made a statement in Parliament ascribing the reasons for the debacle to the leadership failures in the Indian Army and the tactical mishandling of troops. He made no mention of the political fumbling that led to India’s humiliation.
Today, India’s military commanders would do well to answer the question: Are they prepared to take the blame for yet another fiasco if the Chinese walk across our frontline, not just to paint a few stones in Ladakh, but perhaps the walls of monastery in Tawang, which they have always claimed?
(Maroof Raza comments on security issues on Times Now)
mind the experience of the 1962 border conflict with China, when slogans of Hindi-Chini-bhai-bhai deluded the Indian leadership into allowing the Chinese to roll into the plains of Assam.
Subsequently, the leadership in New Delhi did everything to cover the debacle, but if Neville Maxwell’s (the author of India’s China War) comments are anything to go by, then the responsibility for the disaster of 1962, lies with both the political leadership and the military commanders of 1962. These have been highlighted by the Henderson Brooks Report, which remains a strongly guarded document in the vaults of South Block.
But to dispel the common belief, that the report exposes the blunders of the political leadership, and therefore is a closely guarded secret, it must be made clear that it, in fact, looks only at what went wrong militarily. The government of the day clearly did not wish this inquiry to look into high-level policies and plans.
In fact, Lieutenant General Henderson Brooks was clearly directed not to fix responsibility onto specific individuals but the investigation was to look at mundane tactical issues like training, equipment, physical fitness of troops and the role of military commanders! Even the functioning of Army Headquarters was beyond the purview of this investigation, that Brooks, a second-generation British army officer, domiciled in India, from the Maratha Light Infantry Regiment, was asked to undertake.
The report was an unforgiving analysis about the problems along the frontier, discovering along the way what Lieutenant General B M Kaul, regarded by many as a lackey of then defence minister Krishna Menon and the government of the day, would liked to have kept hidden. It laid the blame on Army Headquarters for its direct interference, by bypassing the established chains of command, with deployment of troops on the frontline against the Chinese. The example of the General Staff in Delhi giving orders to the Dhola Post on the Thagla Ridge in then NEFA and now Arunachal Pradesh, was seen as incredible as the order for the charge of light brigade.
But all in all, the report doesn’t have any surprises and the publication of its 200 pages would only undo the myth that the 1962 conflict was a Chinese aggression. A series of studies have, over the years, clearly shown that Indian soldiers were in fact ordered to challenge the Chinese in a military confrontation which it could only lose. And the culprits were at Army Headquarters who, time and again, ordered troops into a forward policy and gave them no hope for a fighting withdrawal, an operation of war — like Lieutenant General B M Kaul, then Chief of General Staff and Brigadier (later Major General) Monty Palit, VrC, then director of Military Operations.
But the investigation, even if it wanted to, had no access to records of meetings in the ministry of defence, since then defence minister Krishna Menon had categorically disallowed any notes or minutes to be kept of his conferences, saying these were top secret in nature.
While the Indian Army has clearly learned its lessons from 1962 debacle, the muted response of India’s politico-diplomatic establishments to China’s brazen muscle flexing from Aksai Chin to Arunachal Pradesh, clearly leaves a lot to be desired. In 1963, Y B Chavan, who took over from Krishna Menon, made a statement in Parliament ascribing the reasons for the debacle to the leadership failures in the Indian Army and the tactical mishandling of troops. He made no mention of the political fumbling that led to India’s humiliation.
Today, India’s military commanders would do well to answer the question: Are they prepared to take the blame for yet another fiasco if the Chinese walk across our frontline, not just to paint a few stones in Ladakh, but perhaps the walls of monastery in Tawang, which they have always claimed?
(Maroof Raza comments on security issues on Times Now)
Monday, September 7, 2009
Shame! Shame! Shame on Indian Media !!!....
A MUST READ.......
Dear Editors of HT, TOI, IndianExpress and TheHindu,NDTV, CNN-IBN, I got the mail below from a friend of mine and following the unwritten code of conduct, I am forwarding it to my friends but all efforts of people who have been forwarding this mail would go waste if this mail doesn't reach YOU......
Something to think about..!!
Shame on Indian Media??? Really what a shame...
By the time u guys read this news, the body of Major Manish Pitambare, who was shot dead at Anantnag, would have been cremated with full military honors.
On Tuesday, this news swept across all the news channels 'Sanjay Dutt relieved by court'. 'Sirf Munna not a bhai' '13 saal ka vanvaas khatam' 'although found guilty for possession of armory, Sanjay can breath sigh of relief as all the TADA charges against him are withdrawn' Then many personalities like Salman Khan said 'He is a good person. We knew he will come out clean'. Mr Big B said "Dutt's family and our family have relations for years he's a good kid. He is like elder brother to Abhishek". His sister Priya Dutt said "we can sleep well tonight. It's a great relief"
In other news, Parliament was mad at Indian team for performing bad; Greg Chappell said something; Shah Rukh Khan replaces Amitabh in KBC and other such stuff. But most of the emphasis was given on Sanjay Dutt's "phoenix like" comeback from the ashes of terrorist charges.
Surfing through the channels, one news on BBC startled me. It read "Hisbul Mujahidin's most wanted terrorist 'Sohel Faisal' killed in A nantnag , India .. Indian Major leading the operation lost his life in the process. Four others are injured.
It was past midnight , I started visiting the stupid Indian channels, but Sanjay Dutt was still ruling. They were telling how Sanjay pleaded to the court saying 'I'm the sole bread earner for my family', 'I have a daughter who is studying in US' and so on. Then they showed how Sanjay was not wearing his lucky blue shirt while he was hearing the verdict and also how he went to every temple and prayed for the last few months. A suspect in Mumbai bomb blasts, convicted under armory act...was being transformed into a hero.
Sure Sanjay Dutt has a daughter; Sure he did not do any terrorist activity. Possessing an AK47 is considered too elementary in terrorist community and also one who possesses an AK47 has a right to possess a pistol so that again is not such a big crime; Sure Sanjay Dutt went to all the temples;
Sure he did a lot of Gandhigiri but then.......... ..
Major Manish H Pitambare got the information from his sources about the terrorists' whereabouts. Wasting no time he attacked the camp, killed Hisbul Mujahidin's supremo and in the process lost his life to the bullets fired from an AK47. He is survived by a wife and daughter (just like Sanjay Dutt) who's only 18 months old.
Major Manish never said 'I have a daughter' before he took the decision to attack the terrorists in the darkest of nights. He never thought about having a family and he being the bread earner.
No news channel covered this since they were too busy hyping a former drug addict, a suspect who's linked to bomb blasts which killed hundreds. Their aim was to show how he defied the TADA charges and they were so successful that his conviction in possession of armory had no meaning. They also concluded that his parents in heaven must be happy and proud of him.
Parents of Major Manish are still living and they have to live rest of their lives without their beloved son. His daughter won't ever see her daddy again.
So guys, please forward this message around so that the media knows which news to give importance, as it is a shame for us since this Army Major's death news was given by a foreign TV channel!!!
If you believe in it, don't feel shy in forwarding it.
Jai Hind
Col Siddhartha Bose
CG State Convener IESM
C- 2 Tagore Nagar
Raipur ( CG ) 492001
Tele : 0771 -4263030
Mob : +91 9993032720
http://bandemataram-jaihind.blogspot.com
Dear Editors of HT, TOI, IndianExpress and TheHindu,NDTV, CNN-IBN, I got the mail below from a friend of mine and following the unwritten code of conduct, I am forwarding it to my friends but all efforts of people who have been forwarding this mail would go waste if this mail doesn't reach YOU......
Something to think about..!!
Shame on Indian Media??? Really what a shame...
By the time u guys read this news, the body of Major Manish Pitambare, who was shot dead at Anantnag, would have been cremated with full military honors.
On Tuesday, this news swept across all the news channels 'Sanjay Dutt relieved by court'. 'Sirf Munna not a bhai' '13 saal ka vanvaas khatam' 'although found guilty for possession of armory, Sanjay can breath sigh of relief as all the TADA charges against him are withdrawn' Then many personalities like Salman Khan said 'He is a good person. We knew he will come out clean'. Mr Big B said "Dutt's family and our family have relations for years he's a good kid. He is like elder brother to Abhishek". His sister Priya Dutt said "we can sleep well tonight. It's a great relief"
In other news, Parliament was mad at Indian team for performing bad; Greg Chappell said something; Shah Rukh Khan replaces Amitabh in KBC and other such stuff. But most of the emphasis was given on Sanjay Dutt's "phoenix like" comeback from the ashes of terrorist charges.
Surfing through the channels, one news on BBC startled me. It read "Hisbul Mujahidin's most wanted terrorist 'Sohel Faisal' killed in A nantnag , India .. Indian Major leading the operation lost his life in the process. Four others are injured.
It was past midnight , I started visiting the stupid Indian channels, but Sanjay Dutt was still ruling. They were telling how Sanjay pleaded to the court saying 'I'm the sole bread earner for my family', 'I have a daughter who is studying in US' and so on. Then they showed how Sanjay was not wearing his lucky blue shirt while he was hearing the verdict and also how he went to every temple and prayed for the last few months. A suspect in Mumbai bomb blasts, convicted under armory act...was being transformed into a hero.
Sure Sanjay Dutt has a daughter; Sure he did not do any terrorist activity. Possessing an AK47 is considered too elementary in terrorist community and also one who possesses an AK47 has a right to possess a pistol so that again is not such a big crime; Sure Sanjay Dutt went to all the temples;
Sure he did a lot of Gandhigiri but then.......... ..
Major Manish H Pitambare got the information from his sources about the terrorists' whereabouts. Wasting no time he attacked the camp, killed Hisbul Mujahidin's supremo and in the process lost his life to the bullets fired from an AK47. He is survived by a wife and daughter (just like Sanjay Dutt) who's only 18 months old.
Major Manish never said 'I have a daughter' before he took the decision to attack the terrorists in the darkest of nights. He never thought about having a family and he being the bread earner.
No news channel covered this since they were too busy hyping a former drug addict, a suspect who's linked to bomb blasts which killed hundreds. Their aim was to show how he defied the TADA charges and they were so successful that his conviction in possession of armory had no meaning. They also concluded that his parents in heaven must be happy and proud of him.
Parents of Major Manish are still living and they have to live rest of their lives without their beloved son. His daughter won't ever see her daddy again.
So guys, please forward this message around so that the media knows which news to give importance, as it is a shame for us since this Army Major's death news was given by a foreign TV channel!!!
If you believe in it, don't feel shy in forwarding it.
Jai Hind
Col Siddhartha Bose
CG State Convener IESM
C- 2 Tagore Nagar
Raipur ( CG ) 492001
Tele : 0771 -4263030
Mob : +91 9993032720
http://bandemataram-jaihind.blogspot.com
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